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Who and What are Demons??
-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), May 22, 2004
There are real and imaginary Demons.Most people who go insane believe they have a demon or people believe they have a demon.
That is not true.
Most of the Devil possessions mentioned in the Gospel are not true demon possessions. That is why Jesus doesn't have a hard time curing them.
A true demon possession would require a lot of prayer.
Then there are the real demons. Those can only came to haunt us when God allows them to.
-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), November 17, 2003.
In the Latin Vulgate, the word used is Lucifer, in that I agree with James, since James asked me if the word Lucifer is in the Bible to refer to the Evil One. Job 11:17 et quasi meridianus fulgor consurget tibi ad vesperam et cum te consumptum putaveris orieris ut lucifer (Whole Chapter: Job 11 In context: Job 11:16-18)
Job 38:32 numquid producis luciferum in tempore suo et vesperum super filios terrae consurgere facis (Whole Chapter: Job 38 In context: Job 38:31-33)
Isaiah 14:12 quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes (Whole Chapter: Isaiah 14 In context: Isaiah 14:11-13)
2 Peter 1:19 et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris (Whole Chapter: 2 Peter 1 In context: 2 Peter 1:18-20
In Hebrew is Heyllel (meaning bright, from there the word Son of the morning, referring to the planet Venus) ben shakhar éá àÅéêÀ ðÈôÇìÀúÌÈ îÄùÌÑÈîÇéÄí, äÅéìÅì áÌÆï-ùÑÈçÇø; ðÄâÀãÌÇòÀúÌÈ ìÈàÈøÆõ, çåÉìÅùÑ òÇì-âÌåÉéÄí. 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, that didst cast lots over the nations!
Heylel is closely related to halel (for hallelujah, praise Yahweh).
-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), November 17, 2003.
where does it say in the Gospel that the deamons weren't real -- mike (Blackmajictrix@yahoo.com), January 6, 2004.
yea my name didn't show up on the last message -- mike (Blackmajictrix@yahoo.com), January 6, 2004.
mike, Demons are real. Elpidio doesn't know what he is talking about.
-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com ), January 6, 2004.
And might I add that Elpidio is not a Christian. He does not believe that Jesus is God and believes all sorts of other heresies. -- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com ), January 6, 2004.
I know what I am talking about, son: These diseases craeted by Demons have modern names, David:
-Some are called viruses -some are called bacteria -Lunatics(from the moon in Greek): are now epileptics. - The crazy man who had a legion of Demons has now multiple personalities. -suicidals are now bipolars ..... and the list goes on....
Jesus better be not only a trained physician these days, but also a psychologist, psychiatrist, social worker,...to help the same types of problems which affected people from his generation.
The Man of yahweh/The Christian yahwist
-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 12, 2004.
David, I ask this question very seriously: Why do we have these bad things in our lives, including the diseases and conditions Elpidio mentions?
Where have all the demons of the Bible gone to, if they are not still around today?
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 12, 2004.
This could be nothing at all: During my class sessions, I routinely get a knocking at the door of my classroom. I go to answer...nothing. The door will suddenly make a noise and close, even when we think the door is already closed. The class stops and looks at the door expecting someone to enter. This is a daily routine. I had one of my students sitting against the board next to the door. He makes a head motion to look at the door because he says he hears someone at the door breathing heavily. I walk over expecting to open the door on a student goofing around...nothing. I look at my student; he looks at me. I have him move away from the door. My thoughts are to recite the sign of the cross and make plans to battle with whatever it is causing the peculiar events. Maybe it's the air conditioning vents playing with the circulating air, who knows? This hasn't become a problem until now that I begin to really wonder what is going on. I'm sure that it is something logical and not some "demon". Well, I've said my prayers.
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 12, 2004.
If real demons were allowed Rod to take over our bodies, who would be saved? No body.
The Man of Yahweh/The Christian Yahwist
-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 12, 2004.
-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), May 22, 2004.
demons are real and still living in today's world, and i also suggest that you stop reading that bible you humans look up to for relief of the fear of death.
-- ?ax3 (?ax1@?ax2.com), July 19, 2004.
You all think of demons as diseases and such, you've never seen an earthborn demon? its not like we are uncommon or something. just look at the people around you, you can sense their aura and tell if they are demons or not, also our scent is more pleasing to the senses then that of humans, in otherwords, we don't smell like apes. true alot of us do go from different body to different body, but only when the bodies we are in die, like my current body, when this body was five years old, it died, the soul left, i entered and it became mine, of course the child's body suddenly awoke like a miracle, and the soul of the child did come back and instead of being like most demons, i did allow it back in, no use letting it just float away, besides, even humans have some power to add to our own. and as for all demons coming from hell or whatever belief tells you where we come from, i was around before all your beliefs and before your world was even created, i merely floated around in space absorbing the life and energy of all the planets i came across, when this planet was created, i intended to merely destroy it, i got trapped here, as for demons being bad for your health (haha its funny how people say this stuff) i am not bad for the health, hell, i gave a person the chance to live didn't i? we are not all evil and we are not out to destroy humanity, merely we wish to survive, as for me, i plan to survive til this planet dies off and i can finally be free of this prison you people call earth.
-- Chronos Diabolus Sigma (thisisafakeemail@fake.com), August 15, 2004.
oh yeah, as for the fake email address, sorry but i have enough problems without some lunatic tracking me down for a laugh, it would be a waste of their life anyways, i do not die easy and can survive alot more then a human can
-- Chronos Diabolus Sigma (thisisafakeemail@fake.com), August 15, 2004.
You speak Chronos as being a Demon.I know demons and you are not one.
As for the Bible, .... the satanic Bible was done by a catholic in the 1960s who modeled it after the Judeo/Christian Bible. I have read it.
-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), August 16, 2004.