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-- Anonymous, October 12, 2002
The Balinese are still pulling bodies out so the total is still not in. But as of about 2 PM eastern, it's over 180. The Fox reporter says roughly 70% of the casualties are Australian. No doubt the Ozzies are feeling a bit like we did on September 12. Granted, there aren't nearly as many dead but I venture the opinion that the average Australian perceives himself to be inoffensive (as far as international politics is concerned, that is, teehee, just kidding). Other countries will now have to start considering that it doesn't matter how nice and tolerant and understanding they are, how carefully they tread, how well they treat their immigrants, there are just too many radical Muslims with way too much funding and we are all at very serious risk.
-- Anonymous, October 13, 2002
Bali Explosions Spur al-Qaida Fears Sun Oct 13, 2:12 PM ETBy IRWAN FIRDAUS, Associated Press Writer
BALI, Indonesia (AP) - Terrified tourists tried Sunday to flee this island paradise that turned into an inferno, with the death toll from a pair of bombings climbing to 187 and fears growing that al-Qaida has taken its terror campaign to the world's largest Muslim country.
Many of those killed by the two bombs that tore through a nightclub district on Bali island Saturday were Australians as well as other foreigners from Canada, Britain, Germany and Sweden. Three Americans were among the more than 300 people injured.
No one claimed responsibility for the bombings — the worst terrorist attack in Indonesia's history — but suspicion turned to al-Qaida and an affiliated group, Jemaah Islamiyah, which wants to establish a pan-Islamic state across Malaysia, Indonesia and the southern Philippines. It is accused of plotting to blow up the U.S. and other embassies in Singapore.
In Washington, President Bush (news - web sites) condemned the attack as "a cowardly act designed to create terror and chaos" and offered U.S. help in finding the perpetrators.
"The world must confront this global menace, terrorism," he said.
The attacks were on the second anniversary of the al-Qaida-linked attack against USS Cole (news - web sites) off Yemen that left 17 sailors dead and took place amid signs of increasing terrorist activity that had led to the closure of U.S. embassies and renewed terror alerts for Americans.
The destruction started when a small homemade bomb exploded outside Paddy's Discotheque in the maze of clubs and bars on Kuta Beach, a popular haunt with young travelers. Shortly afterward, a huge blast from a bomb in a Toyota Kijang, a jeep-like vehicle, 30 yards down the street devastated the crowded Sari Club, a surfers' hangout.
A third, smaller bomb exploded outside the U.S. consulate. No one was injured in that blast.
The second blast ripped into the open-air bar, triggering a massive burst of flames that officials said was caused by the explosion of gas cylinders used for cooking. The explosion collapsed the roof of the flimsy structure, trapping revelers in flaming wreckage. The explosions and fire damaged about 20 buildings and devastated much of the block.
Identification of the dead was slow, since some were burned beyond recognition.
American Amos Libby, 25, felt himself lifted off his feet as he walked by the Sari Club as the bomb detonated.
"All the buildings in the vicinity just collapsed, cars overturned and debris from the buildings fell on them," he said, without giving his hometown. "I have never seen anything so horrible. There were so many people, 18 to 20 year olds, people in pieces all over the street."
New Zealander Lonny McDowell, 25, was at Paddy's when the blast blew chairs and concrete through the bar. He said he saw a man with no legs and another with a cable stuck through his stomach.
"Who knows if this couldn't happen again? I really don't want to go back to Kuta," he said looking for his airline ticket home.
Indonesian National Police Chief Gen. Da'i Bachtiar called the it "the worst act of terror in Indonesia's history."
President Megawati Sukarnoputri flew to Bali and wept as she toured the wreckage. Asked about a possible link to al-Qaida, she said: "That will be continuously investigated to that this can be uncovered as soon as possible." She promised to cooperate with other nations to fight terror.
U.S. Ambassador Ralph Boyce told The Associated Press that it was not possible yet to pin the Bali attack on al-Qaida, but noted that increasing evidence in recent weeks has confirmed al-Qaida's presence in Indonesia and reaching out to local extremists.
"In recent weeks, we have been able to put an end to a year of speculation as to whether al-Qaida might be in Indonesia, or relocating to Indonesia, or using Indonesia as a base of operations, after the fall of Afghanistan (news - web sites)," Boyce said.
The United States and Indonesia's neighbors have urged Jakarta for months to pass an anti-terrorism law that has been languishing in the Parliament contending there is a strong al-Qaida presence here. Without the law, Indonesia says, security forces cannot arrest suspects without clear evidence they have committed a crime.
While its neighbors have arrested scores of militants from Jemaah Islamiyah, Jakarta has done little and denied that it is a haven for terrorists.
"This horrible incident has only made it that much more urgent that they find some way to deal with this problem," Boyce said. "They (Indonesians) are in the middle of doing that."
The U.S. Embassy was considering scaling back staff, though no decision had been taken. Americans were warned on the Embassy Web site to consider leaving the country.
In Denpasar, Bali's main city, the airport was thronged by stunned, mostly young travelers cutting short their vacations and desperate to go home after the most terrifying night of their lives.
Crowds camped out near a McDonald's, working their mobile phones to make hard-to-get airline bookings. Many spent the night on the beach, terrified after the blasts to go near built-up areas.
The Australian air force set up a massive evacuation operation to bring home survivors for medical treatment. The first flight arrived Sunday in the northern city of Darwin, carrying 15 people identified as America, Australian and Canadian.
Australians were shocked by the attacks. Bali is a popular tourist destination, and 20,000 Australians were estimated to be on the island. Seven of the 24 dead identified by Sunday evening were Australian.
Australian Prime Minister John Howard vowed to urgently review national security but said that staunch support for the United States in the war on terror would not be affected.
"This is a huge national tragedy for Australia and for Australians," he said.
Howard said the attack appeared to target Australian and other Western travelers.
Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said Australian officials didn't know who was behind the bombings, "but the organization we've been very concerned about in Indonesia ... is called Jemaah Islamiyah, and it has certainly been responsible for terrorist attacks over the years."
Several countries have pressed Indonesia to arrest Jemaah Islamiyah's alleged leader, Abu Bakar Bashir. But Indonesia says it has no evidence. Bashir has sympathizers in Megawati's government.
Paul Wilkinson, chairman of the Center for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, said he believed the attacks were probably the work of "a cell of an organization closely affiliated to al-Qaida."
He mentioned Jemaah Islamiya as such a group. "What it underlines is that the network of al-Qaida is still capable of extremely deadly and devastating attacks and has a global reach," he said.
In Germany, the Foreign Ministry said that five Germans were badly injured and two slightly. One German resident of Bali was missing. Germany urged its citizens to avoid going to Bali.
In September, the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta closed for six days due to threats linked to al-Qaida. Other regional U.S. embassies also closed. The Philippines disclosed that Washington feared attacks using truck bombs.
Last month, a grenade exploded in a car near a house belonging to the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, killing the man suspected of handling it. The Indonesia government blamed it on a feud between gangs.
-- Anonymous, October 13, 2002
Sunday, 13 October, 2002, 13:48 GMT 14:48 UKAustralians in shock after Bali attack
The lists of the missing are changing all the time
By Dominic Hughes BBC correspondent in Sydney
This Bali bomb attack has come as an enormous shock to the Australian public, as friends and relatives of the hundreds of people visiting the Indonesian island anxiously wait for news.
Australians are accustomed to viewing themselves as insulated from dangers faced elsewhere in the world by virtue of the country's remoteness.
But the Prime Minister John Howard, with his voice close to breaking, has warned that the country must now prepare itself for the worst.
"There are many Australians unaccounted for, many... We must therefore prepare ourselves as a nation for a significant number of Australian deaths," he said.
Opposition leader Simon Crean echoed the sentiments of many when he expressed his distress following news of the attack.
"I'm shocked and horrified at this outrageous and reckless killing of innocent people. It just goes to show how vulnerable people can be." Emotional returns
Already some Bali tourists have returned to Sydney, where there were tearful reunions with anxious family members.
And local radio shows have been carrying interviews with people who had managed to contact survivors, some of whom had required medical treatment.
The island of Bali is a hugely popular destination for thousands of young Australian holiday makers, who view it as one of the safest resorts in South East Asia. They flock to the beaches and bars of the many resorts that have been established to cater for what had been a flourishing tourist industry.
At this time of year many Australian sports teams also visit Bali to celebrate the end of their domestic seasons.
Some players from rugby league and Australian rules football teams are feared to be among the victims.
Vulnerable
There have been warnings in recent weeks that Australians could be vulnerable to attack. On the anniversary of the 11 September 2001 attacks, the Australian embassy in East Timor was closed after such a warning.
In December of last year the Australian High Commission in Singapore was also believed to have been a target in an attack that was foiled by police.
But for the general public, many of these warnings will have passed them by.
Australia is a country that has been blessedly free from terrorist attacks.
The last serious incident on Australian soil was the bombing of the Sydney Hilton Hotel in 1978 in which three people died.
But there has never been anything on this scale and no-one would have believed that so many Australians could be targeted in one go.
That has now changed - and the Australian public are now aware that they are equally vulnerable to violent, unexpected tragedy.
-- Anonymous, October 13, 2002
Isn't the Aussie government doing an air-lift of their people out of the country? I thought I read it somewhere, and that they were concerned that whoever did the bombing might have missles to take the planes down.My thoughts go out to them. I hope more attacks do not happen.
-- Anonymous, October 13, 2002
Yes, I heard the airlift report on Fox and saw some video. Maybe there's a news article out by now.
-- Anonymous, October 13, 2002
No article found yet.I was just reading some of the BBC reports and an old memory suddenly came to mind. New Orleans, maybe 20 years ago. There had been a fire at an upstairs bar in the French Quarter, a number of people lost their lives. A video haunts me--a pan of the exterior of the building, a gaping hole where a window had been, its iron bars still in place and something that had been a someone was leaning against side of the hole, what had been its hand clutching one of the iron bars. It was determined later that someone had ignited a flamable liquid on the stairs, fire escape doors were locked and there were bars on some of the windows.
As I read the BBC reports I thought how easy it would be to repeat the Bali bomb in the French Quarter or in any one of a number of tourist areas in this country. Although east to west streets are blocked to vehicles in the Quarter, north to south streets are not. Parking is permitted in a number of places and a large car bomb could do some serious damage to any of the large and busy bars near a Bourbon Street corner or to the smaller number on side streets--one in particular comes to mind which I don't want to jinx by naming here.
Painfully, the Bali bomb is another reminder that we can take nothing for granted. (And, of course, neither can anyone in another country.)
-- Anonymous, October 13, 2002