Frist off I would like to say thanks to all that respond to the questions we ask,your the greatest. Now question I have these doe's one is close to birthing,do I worm just before or after. Next some one said you can use cloves to worm them.Will this cause loose stool and how many dose's do you give,and how long till it works on them.Thanks for all the help,so new at this.Pastor Hughes

-- Pastor Hughes (hbchurch@brightok.net), November 07, 2001

Answers

Response to Can I use cloves for worming?

I know cloves are used for cocci, am not sure about worms. There is several companies that sell a herbal wormer that is given for about 3 days in a row and then weekly. Also, Safeguard wormer 3-4 times the dose and Ivomec is safe for pregnant does. I would worm the first day or two after kidding.

-- Leslie in Western WA (sundaycreek@gnrac.net), November 07, 2001.

Response to Can I use cloves for worming?

Pastor Hughes, I worm my does 2 weeks before kidding, and the day of kidding. I have done this for a number of years with no problems. I use Ivormectin, and Safeguard. In His Grace, Sissy

-- Sissy Sylvester-Barth (iblong2Him@ilovejesus.net), November 07, 2001.

Response to Can I use cloves for worming?

Take some nanny berries to the vet, give the cloves if they have worms, wait 7 to 10 days and take some more nanny berries to the vet and see if it works. Your warnings for worming or using antibiotics are for right after breeding (7 to 10 days), once a doe is bred and the kids have implanted, you don't have to worry. Even having said that I wouldn't hesitate to ever worm if I had a positive fecal, you can loose kids and your doe from worms. Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), November 07, 2001.

I've never used anything but garlic on my does for a vermifuge. Their shiny coats, sweet milk, and nice plump throats tell me all I need to know about their intestinal health. I free feed a loose mineral salt and every month or so I'll break some heads of garlic onto the salt. Sometimes they eat the carlic cloves, sometimes they leave them. I'm choosing to believe they use it when they need it.

-- Ellen (gardenfarm@earthlink.net), November 08, 2001.

ooo! ooo! i can help on this one!

there is an organic goat cheese/milker guy up here, and here is what he told me to do (and I am just starting)

1 besides garlic, use diatemaceous earth and grapefruit seed extract every day, all the time (keeps flies down too). kelp as well.

2 i am going to try and feed them a bit of powdered senna every day

3 homeopathic senna 30c is supposed to help as a wormer

I got convinced to give the goats the wormer from the vet, and my oldest was down in 15 minutes and panting heavily, shaking, couldn't get up. the vet in all his wisdom told me that it was impossible. no other advice. it was just impossible. i had to make her a homeopathic antidote to the chemical which got her back up and fine, but it was scarey. i never give over the counter stuff to my animals or kids (human variety) and the one time i did, i learned a less!

-- marcee (thathope@mwt.net), November 08, 2001.

Why take a chance with your critters? A call to the vet for help doesn't cost anything and to really find out if a dewormer is working, having the vet do a fecal count is inexpensive. I don't experiment. I've used what's tried and true for 25 years.

I don't purchase my dewormers from the vet, but I call them once a year to see if any changes are needed. When I moved from Arizona to Texas, the vet changed around one of the chemicals to a different month since those parasites were more prevalient at that time in Texas.

-- ~Rogo (rogo2020@yahoo.com), November 08, 2001.

I am so glad for all the help.I had bought this goat from this man.she will be a very good one I feel.But she is very skinny and the signs are very clearly worms,not that I have seen worms ,but pale rear and pale gums and she just looks sickly.This man told me he had good goat he brought by.but dropped her off have never seen him,again.I never knew he was dropping sick goat.the man that sent him to me I thought was honestly send me some that would be honest.But I do like her so I will now try to help her.Pastor Hughes

-- Pastor Hughes (hbchurch@brightok.net), November 08, 2001.

I personally do not have any experience with this method, but my Grandpa used to keep some goats and even milked a few now and then. He would give them some chewing tobacco . It seemed to work fine. I also remember a tobacco company named Fred Stokler and Son from Dresden, Tenn. that advertised srap tobacco for the " deworming of horses, mules and goats" in their catalog. Hope this helps. FLOYD

-- Floyd Trammell (home_11@msn.com), November 09, 2001.