Falwell 1/2 apologizes. Robertson(WEASAL or SNAKE?) doesn't.

A replay of Y2k when Falwell changed sides and withdrew his Y2k tapes but Robertson who knew there was no crisis, did not, continued to sell FUD tapes and kept publishing daily Fear pieces on his Y2k site until 1/1/2000.

NOW ROBERTSON (WEASAL or SNAKE?) STABS FALWELL IN THE BACK claiming he, Robertson (WEASAL or SNAKE?) "misunderstood"?? NO ONE can question that Falwell even when in error is "sincere". He has a long history of making remarks based on his own beliefs that must later be corrected when he gets more facts. ROBERTSON (WEASAL or SNAKE?) NEVER makes even a token gesture that he could be in error. Of course, when you think you speak for God, you really can't do that can you?

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"Meanwhile, Robertson (WEASAL or SNAKE?) -- who on the show had responded to Falwell's comments by saying "I totally concur" and "Amen" -- and later said the minister had been quoted out of context -- yesterday issued a news release calling Falwell's remarks "totally inappropriate." During the broadcast, Robertson(WEASAL or SNAKE?) said, he was caught off guard by remarks he considered "severe and harsh in tone," and said his colleague's discourse was "frankly, not fully understood" by him or the show's other hosts." (WEASAL or SNAKE?).

"......In a common response, another correspondent wrote: "Falwell and Robertson(WEASAL or SNAKE?) would do well to reflect on the fact that this tragedy was begat by men who bear a remarkable resemblance to themselves: that is, religious zealots who are motivated by deep hatreds.""

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/specials/attacked/A47182-2001Sep17.html

Falwell Apologizes For Remarks By John F. Harris

Washington Post Staff Writer

Tuesday, September 18, 2001; Page C04

Conservative evangelist Jerry Falwell, who sparked an uproar by saying that liberal civil-rights groups, homosexuals and abortion-rights supporters were partly responsible for last week's terrorist attacks, yesterday apologized for making remarks that he acknowledged "seemed harsh and ill-timed."

Falwell, who made the comments in a discussion with fellow evangelist Pat Robertson on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," said in a statement posted on his Web site that he was making a nuanced theological point that was misunderstood by a "secular media and audience."

Meanwhile, Robertson -- who on the show had responded to Falwell's comments by saying "I totally concur" and "Amen" -- and later said the minister had been quoted out of context -- yesterday issued a news release calling Falwell's remarks "totally inappropriate." During the broadcast, Robertson said, he was caught off guard by remarks he considered "severe and harsh in tone," and said his colleague's discourse was "frankly, not fully understood" by him or the show's other hosts.

Falwell maintained yesterday that his remarks were lifted from their context, though many who were offended said the lengthy passages cited in media accounts made Falwell's meaning plain. He said an angry God had lifted the protection he previously bestowed on the nation, allowing "the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."

"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson replied.

"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen,' " Falwell said.

Falwell said yesterday that asserting these groups had incited God to lift his protection was not saying that they were responsible. "I hold no one other than the terrorists, and the people and nations who have enabled and harbored them, responsible for the September 11 attacks on this nation," he said.

He added that he wished he had not mentioned specific groups like the American Civil Liberties Union by name, and had not mentioned the failure of churches to halt "a generation of departure from God." Falwell said "I sincerely regret" that the timing and wording of the comments "have detracted from the spirit of this time of mourning." Whatever their intent, both ministers caused a storm. A White House official said Bush, who has drawn strong support from Robertson's backers, considered them inappropriate. Among the deluge of e-mails to this newspaper regarding the remarks was one from a student who claimed he was so offended that he was dropping out of the Falwell-founded Liberty University.

In a common response, another correspondent wrote: "Falwell and Robertson would do well to reflect on the fact that this tragedy was begat by men who bear a remarkable resemblance to themselves: that is, religious zealots who are motivated by deep hatreds."

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-- Anonymous, September 18, 2001

Answers

"What we saw ... was the ultimate expression of fundamentalism," Mr. Piazza said. "It is what happens when people believe that God is on their side, rather than asking, 'Are we on God's side?' "

http://www.dallasnews.com/metro/stories/472579_wedgwood_17met.html

-- Anonymous, September 18, 2001

http://www.wweek.com/flatfiles/Culture1988.html COLUMN
Queer Window
The (UN)HOLY War

BY BYRON BECK
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"I think it's impossible to know the mind of God."

So says Jim Lee. A 38-year-old senior pastor and spiritual leader of Southeast Portland's Trinity North American Baptist Church, Lee is responding to comments made by Baptist minister Dr. Jerry Falwell on the religious TV chatfest The 700 Club.

Only two days after Tuesday's day-mare, Dr. Falwell stated that the attacks rested firmly on the sinful shoulders of homosexuals, pagans, abortionists, feminists, the American Civil Liberties Union and People for the American Way. "I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen,'" Falwell said. He added later, "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."

Although the left, the progressive right and much of the mainstream instantly denounced Falwell, his comments were too much even for conservative Christians.

Pastor Lee responds, "My understanding of what Dr. Falwell said is that the particular sins, of particular people, resulted in God bringing this disaster upon us. I don't want to appear critical of Dr. Falwell and his beliefs, nor do I want to endorse all of his statements, but I disagree." Lee says that Falwell's comments also do not reflect the opinions of the majority of churchgoing people. "He is generally far more conservative and willing to draw conclusions in stronger ways than many other Baptists."

With his divisive, "did-he-really-say-that-out-loud?" words, Falwell once again put his head where his heart don't shine--and put conservative members of the clergy between a rock and a hard pulpit.

"My job is to teach the Scriptures about God and life. Where the Bible is silent to interpretation of current events, I also must be silent," says Lee. "My own convictions from Scriptures teach me how to respond to tragedy, rather than the reasons for it." Lee says he truly believes you can "love the sinner" and hate what you see as "sin."

Normally that distinction would drive me crazy. In this case, it provides more relief than I could ever imagine. Lee, unlike Falwell, refuses to divide our nation into the good, the bad and the unrepentant.

"What Scripture does not allow me to do is to draw conclusions that particular events are the results of particular sins," says Lee. It is Lee's firm belief that, in times like these, we should reexamine our own lives and decide how best to go forward.

On Thursday, Falwell finally reexamined his words and issued an apology. But his way-too-superficial, ass-saving "I'm sorry" fell with a great, big giant thud. Unlike a certain holy entity whose mind I, too, believe we will never understand, I can never forgive him.

-- Anonymous, October 01, 2001

"Love the sinner, hate the sin." That's the way I learned it, and it's been my motto as a Christian.

Another very useful saying: "there but for the grace of God go I."

Ah, don't get me started. I might preach. :)

-- Anonymous, October 01, 2001

Falwell is turning into the Archie Bunker of our times. So he fits under your "love the sinner" theory. Pat Robertson does not but gives us a new definition of hypocrisy.

-- Anonymous, October 02, 2001

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59532-2001Sep19.html

On the morning of Sept. 11, as it happened, the New York Times ran a story that was typical of the Times in recent years. The story warmly profiled the life -- and plugged the memoirs -- of a former 1970s radical and terrorist bomber named Bill Ayers. "I don't regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the lead. "I feel we didn't do enough." Ayers boasts in his book that he took part in the 1970s bombings of the New York City police headquarters, the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon. The Times called these "daring acts in his youth." The Times found Ayers to be possessed of an "ebullient, ingratiating manner," and accorded him the respect of 2,000 words in the paper plus a generally fawning and deeply stupid interview in the Sept. 16 New York Times Magazine, which was printed before the events of Sept. 11.

Ayers's contention, uncritically accepted by the Times, that "this society is not a just and fair and decent place" has been for decades a foundation-lie and essential tool of justification for those who would destroy that society. This has not been limited to the radicals of the left but has been of equal service to the radical right.

On the Sept. 13 edition of "The 700 Club," Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson had a little chat. Falwell mused that "what we saw on Tuesday . . . could be minuscule if in fact God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve." To give us probably what we deserve. Robertson enthusiastically agreed with this blasphemy. Falwell went on to note that "the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked," and he and Robertson agreed that feminists, "the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle," and the ACLU also "helped this happen."

I don't think the Times will ever print another story celebrating political bombings as "daring acts." I don't think Robertson and Falwell will ever again be regarded by most Americans with anything other than the deepest contempt. I think that the perverted values of those on the left and the right who hate this country for being what it is -- a liberal democracy -- are now seen for what they are, in the terrible light of Sept. 11. We have recovered who we are.

-- Anonymous, October 02, 2001