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By John F. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 14, 2001; Page C03

Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America.

"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson.

"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."

Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes."

Then Falwell broadened his blast to include the federal courts and others who he said were "throwing God out of the public square." He added: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "

People for the American Way transcribed the broadcast and denounced the comments as running directly counter to President Bush's call for national unity. Ralph G. Neas, the liberal group's president, called the remarks "absolutely inappropriate and irresponsible."

Robertson and others on the religious right gave critical backing to Bush last year when he was battling for the GOP presidential nomination. A White House official called the remarks "inappropriate" and added, "The president does not share those views."

Falwell was unrepentant, saying in an interview that he was "making a theological statement, not a legal statement."

"I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist," he said. But he said America's "secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture . . . the result is not good."

Robertson was not available for comment, a spokeswoman said. But she released a statement echoing the remarks he made on his show. An ACLU spokeswoman said the group "will not dignify the Falwell-Robertson remarks with a comment."

© 2001 The Washington Post Company


-- Anonymous, September 14, 2001

Answers

America's "secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture . . . the result is not good."

This country is based of freedom... of choice of religion, this man is sick, and too many people hear his words.

-- Anonymous, September 14, 2001


The guy may be a charlatan, he may be delusional but he has not killed anyone. To equate him to bin Laden is BS-cubed.

-- Anonymous, September 14, 2001

How is there anything but a change in terms BUT NOT IN DEGREE. Just remember the very careful avoidance of condemning completely ALL the violent anti-abortionists. YES, they stop short of condoning murdering the Abortion Doctors. BUT......THEY DO NOTHING TO END THE CLIMATE OF HATRED THAT LEADS TO THOSE MURDERS, BOMBINGS and violent protests. The statements in the W. Post are just another extension of the LACK OF TOLERANCE FOR ANY VIEWS BUT THEIR OWN. FALWELL tends to be more moderate and quickly retract his errors but Robertson NEVER DOES and encourages and supports the WORST elements in the Far Right.

Bin Laden and his Ilk believe that the SINS of the GREAT SATAN are infecting the entire Islamic world. The WTC Disaster was just "God's Way" of purifying the Earth. Anyone doubt that Bin Laden and Ilk don't believe THEY SPEAK FOR **HIM**??

Pat Weirdo and Poor Jerry Shoot trom the Hip both believe that this is "God's Judgement" (for things that THEY don't approve of and of course, like Bin Laden, THEY speak for HIM.

-- Anonymous, September 15, 2001


All true, but until Falwell and other big-hairs form Xtian death squads that mass-murder total strangers, they are not "on a par with Bin Laden's insanity".

We are not playing an intellectual game here. This is war. Let's get our priorities straight.

-- Anonymous, September 15, 2001


UNTIL they form Xtian death squads ??

WHAT ABOUT TOLERATING SUCH IN THEIR MIDST? AT THEIR RELIGIOUS CONVOS, AT THE MEETINGS AND COMMITTEES? OR FUNDING THEM THROUGH SLUSH FUNDS BACK DOOR BY CONTRIBUTORS?

WHAT do you think the Violent Anti-Abortionists like Randall Terry, Neil Horsley and Joseph Foreman are all about?

They are merely in a scaled down version of the same crap that Bin Laden and Ilk claim can be "justified" by their religious beliefs.

SAME TACTICS EVEN. INCITE OTHERS TO DO THE DEEDS TO THE POINT OF FUNDING THEM and then DENY THEY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT DIRECTLY.

IT IS THAT......which any responsible Christian Leader should oppose but do you ever hear from D.James Kennedy. DD, LLB, Ph.D. or DOBSON? Pat "I have $500 Million" Robertson or Jerry Tinky Winkie and I have made up" Falwell STAND UP AND SAY THAT WOMEN WHO CHOSE TO HAVE AN ABORTION LEGALLY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHTS AS US CITIZENS?

INSTEAD...LIKE THE WHITED SEPULCHRES OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, THEY LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHILE HOLDING THE COATS OF THOSE WHO ARE DOING THE MODERN DAY STONING.

Idiot Horsley posts names and home addresses of the Abortion Clinic Doctors and then pretends he is not responsible for anything that "happens to the murderers of the unborn".

Behind the scenes, the whole of the Religious Far Right DOES NOTHING but mumble about the sin of abortion.

It is MERELY ANOTHER FORM OF 'INCITING TO ACTION'. And I see no reason that all of them should not be held accountable EXCEPT one day they will stand for the ONE they have the NERVE TO CLAIM THEY "speak for" and answer to HIM.

As a great example of such HYPOCRISY you have Gary Duct Tape who mumbles in print about "abortionists and women who have abortions should be STONED" then when some TOOL OF THEIRS ACTUALLY GOES OUT AND KILLS A DOCTOR, GARY writes a 'letter to the Convicted MURDERER" and tells him that HIS bible doesn't condone murder.

-- Anonymous, September 15, 2001



Falwell & Robertson yapped their deepest thoughts at exactly the the wrong time. Used to think they were just about money. It's worse.

Naw, changed my mind. It's still just about money but hopefully from a dwindling few.

-- Anonymous, September 15, 2001


http://www.bushnews.com/attackamericantaliban.htm
God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says

By John F. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 14, 2001; Page C03

Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America.

"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson.

"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."

Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes."

Then Falwell broadened his blast to include the federal courts and others who he said were "throwing God out of the public square." He added: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "

People for the American Way transcribed the broadcast and denounced the comments as running directly counter to President Bush's call for national unity. Ralph G. Neas, the liberal group's president, called the remarks "absolutely inappropriate and irresponsible."

Robertson and others on the religious right gave critical backing to Bush last year when he was battling for the GOP presidential nomination. A White House official called the remarks "inappropriate" and added, "The president does not share those views."

Falwell was unrepentant, saying in an interview that he was "making a theological statement, not a legal statement."

"I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist," he said. But he said America's "secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture . . . the result is not good."

Robertson was not available for comment, a spokeswoman said. But she released a statement echoing the remarks he made on his show. An ACLU spokeswoman said the group "will not dignify the Falwell-Robertson remarks with a comment."

Wizard of Whimsy


The American Taliban: The Cancer On The Soul Of Our Country

by William Rivers Pitt
8/14/01

"What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents."

- Robert Kennedy

Amidst the dust and ruin, amidst the pain and woe, amidst the remarkable unity that is being demonstrated by Americans everywhere, there lurks a vein of hatred and evil that is nearly beyond description. Some Americans today are leveling fingers of blame towards homosexuals, towards liberals, towards the ACLU, towards those who protect and defend a woman's legal right to reproductive freedom. That anyone would seek to smear fellow American citizens with blame for the atrocities that have been visited upon us is wretched enough to make any decent human being physically ill. That those who do this are denouncing our fellow citizens in the name of God is the definition of evil, and is the same kind of hate that drove those airplanes like a dagger into the heart of our nation. I am ashamed to be an American today because of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

This is what Mr. Falwell had to say on Robertson's nationally broadcast television show, 'The 700 Club':

"The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this...throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle...all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'"

There were more Americans killed on Tuesday than in the attacks on Pear Harbor and the invasions on D Day and Iwo Jima combined, if the estimates prove to be true. There were more Americans killed on Tuesday than in a year's worth of fighting during the Vietnam War. America has taken a mighty blow, yet we still stand strong. We are pulling together as best we can. So much greatness has been demonstrated by our firefighters, police, medical professionals, rescue workers and ordinary citizens who queue up to give blood, because it is the best thing they can do. Yet, here is a religious bigot who has the unmitigated gall to lay blame upon some of our citizens because he does not agree with the way they live. He does this in the name of his vicious, hateful, bloody God. His God is not my God. His America is not my America.

Mr. Falwell should take that finger of blame and turn it towards his own miserable face. Religious and cultural zealotry and intolerance - on both sides - lies at the root of this disaster. No worse fate could ever befall America than to have it to come under the sway of demagogues like Jerry Falwell.

Gay? To the wall.

Pro-choice? To the wall.

ACLU, defender of the Constitution? To the wall.

Not Christian? To the rack, and then the wall.

Support any of the above, or believe those citizens who support the above have the right to do so? To the wall.

Jerry Falwell has done a grave injury to millions of American citizens with his words. The First Amendment of the Constitution allows him to do so, allows him to advocate the destruction of the very rights that protect his hate and evil. Nevertheless, he must be punished for this.

I denounce Jerry Falwell and his lapdog, Pat Robertson. I say they are the worst form of low and awful wretchedness that has ever drawn breath. I say that God would spit in their faces if She could even be bothered to pay attention to such nonsense.

I say, as an American, that these men do not represent the country I love and would die for. They are a cancer on the soul of our country, and they should be treated as such.

I renounce any ties and fealty to the Christian religion as of today, until such time as I can be sure that bastards like Falwell do not and can not purport to carry the Cross. As a lifelong Catholic, this is no small matter for me. I dissent, and my God will understand why.

I say to my homosexual brothers and sisters, to those who are not Christian, to those who support the legal right of reproductive choice, that I am with you. Jerry Falwell and his band of filth will have to get through me in order to get to you.

To Mr. Bush, I demand that you denounce these people as well. Once upon a time you gave your soul to Jesus in the presence of Falwell. I demand that you lay him low, in the name of national unity and love. Be a leader, Mr. Bush. Be a leader of all of us.

To the world, I offer a plea: ignore these villains. They are not us. We will deal with them the way they should be dealt with. Religious extremism of any sort is the most dangerous threat in the world right now. That this breed of the Taliban are American makes them all the more so.

Mr. Falwell, you will burn in hell for your words. God sees you, and is not pleased. Neither am I.