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Y2K spending criticized

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Y2K spending criticized

By Dennis Romboy Deseret News staff writer

State human services agencies inappropriately spent more than $550,000 on Y2K supplies such as portable generators, 72-hour kits, meals-ready-to-eat and used water storage barrels that turned out to be contaminated, a state audit found. A legislative auditor general's report of state government's Y2K expenditures released Wednesday outlined the spending irregularities.

The Utah Legislature appropriated $13.5 million to 20 state entities with a directive that it be used only to remedy potential problems with the two-digit date field in computers. Of the five agencies legislative auditors reviewed, only the Department of Human Services bought items not related to Y2K, according to the report. The purchases did not meet legislative guidelines and were not necessary for the potential Y2K computer crisis, the report said. "It is disturbing," Utah House Speaker Marty Stephens, R—Farr West, said of the department's not following the law. Human Services spent $1.2 million in state funds preparing for a millennium bug, $551,800 of which went for supplies, including radios, cooking grills and 2,520 72-hour kits for employees. Auditors questioned the survival packets because no other department in the state has them. Stephens said the state shouldn't buy them for any of its employees. "I don't know of any business in the state that buys 72-hour kits for their employees," he said. "It just does not seem to make a lot of sense."

Department officials defended the stockpiling, but spokeswoman Carol Sisco conceded "a few bad decisions were made." "We have vulnerable clients who live in 24-hour institutions," she said. "We needed to make sure our clients were safe and that our employees were available to help them." Most of the supplies went to the Division of Youth Corrections, the Utah State Developmental Center and the Utah State Hospital. Mark Ward, Human Services deputy director, said legislative intent for the money changed several times and administrators believed they spent it properly. The purchases were all related to Y2K preparations, he said. "This was a great unknown that everyone was faced with as well as looming deadlines," Ward said. "You don't want to be looking back saying, 'I wish we would have done this.' " The report called youth corrections' buying the contaminated 55-gallon water containers a "poor" and "hasty" decision. Some of the barrel tops had explicit warnings against using them for human consumption.

The report also questions the decision to buy portable generators for youth corrections and the developmental center. Many of the facilities already have backup electricity.

In a written response to the report, former state Y2K coordinator David Fletcher said if one or two agencies exceeded necessary preparations, they were not alone. "While it is easy to criticize those efforts in retrospect, we must remember the environment that they were operating in."

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-- Martin Thompson (mthom1927@aol.com), August 30, 2001

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

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The purchases did not meet legislative guidelines and were not necessary for the potential Y2K computer crisis, the report said.

And there ya go: "...did not meet legislative guidelines...". Reality check here, folks -- the system works, when people stay in the system, rather than trying to go outside of it. You know, like getting their information from wacky Internet web-sites that promote scaremongering, instead of doing their duties as properly instructed by the experts. I obviously don't know if that is what actually happened here, but I suspect that the brilliant idea to waste money on "portable generators, 72-hour kits, meals-ready-to-eat and used water storage barrels that turned out to be contaminated" didn't come from the Wall Street Journal or Better Homes and Gardens.

One other thing: If you actually follow the link to the article

http:/ /deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,295021304,00.html?

you will see that the above quote is actually in it's own, separate paragraph. The way it is presented in this thread, it's easy to miss.

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

So what are you selling TK?

NOBODY is as fucking stupid as you present yourself to be, you have to be selling something.

BTW, stick "Bennett and Y2k" into ANY search engine and see the "system" in all its glory.

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

like getting their information from wacky Internet web-sites that promote scaremongering

Um, duh. What do you think the "pollys" were about?

Are you dense or what?

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

So what are you selling TK?

NOBODY is as fucking stupid as you present yourself to be, you have to be selling something.

I think that there has been a mistake... You obviously have me confused with the huckster that wrote this:


Who owns and runs this thing?

Doc Paulie

Who runs this thing? You do, the participants, without you there is little reason for any of this. There are no banner ads on this board. If you feel you would like to contribute to help pay for this board, BUYING SOMETHING thru my associate link at amazon.com is the way. Here is the link. Simply enter a topic and search for books, cds etc. If you buy from amazon, might as well help support this board with a small % of the sale.


BTW, stick "Bennett and Y2k" into ANY search engine and see the "system" in all its glory.

Ahhh yes, the "system" that you think has kept you down and keeps you down all your life, right Doc? Gotta blame someone or something, I guess. NWO, Illuminati, memes, doesn't really matter, does it? As long as you don't blame yourself. Now, that would be unbearable, wouldn't it?

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

Um, duh. What do you think the "pollys" were about?

Apparently, they were about this:


Who owns and runs this thing?

Doc Paulie

Who runs this thing? You do, the participants, without you there is little reason for any of this. There are no banner ads on this board. If you feel you would like to contribute to help pay for this board, BUYING SOMETHING thru my associate link at amazon.com is the way. Here is the link. Simply enter a topic and search for books, cds etc. If you buy from amazon, might as well help support this board with a small % of the sale.

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

TK: I think you over-estimate this "sales" thing done by Doc. His site wasn't on one of the FREE to the public servers like TB2k. The guy actually had to dip into his own pocket to keep the place running. I think Peg did a little Christmas shopping on the Amazon site, but I can't remember whether Doc grossed $.30 or $3.00 from it, overall.

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

Absolutely freaking pathetic be the only reply necessary for this dot- military posting jackass TK.

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

Gosh, Anita, let's not try to insinuate that Doc was a poor businessman! I'm sure the lack of suckers ... err, I mean, sales ... were due to NWO dispersed memes or something.

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

Absolutely freaking pathetic be the only reply necessary for this dot-military posting jackass TK.

Beautiful! I love it!! Nutball paranoia in it's purest glory!!!


I'm out and off for the Labor Day Weekend, folks. You and yours have a great one. See you Tuesday!

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

FLASH!!!!

THE REAL STORY OF WHY TK WILL NOT BE WITH US OVER THE WEEKEND.
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch- msg.tcl?msg_id=006FDT

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

Given Debunky's thrust Doc, you gotta admit the solicitation was pretty dumb. Doubt you made a dime and grateful for the dime you spent.

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

From my experience, it could well be true. Now I travel to the PNW on a regular basis. I remember a trip in the summer of 1999. Every grocery store had an announcement for a Y2K meeting. You know, sort of like a timebomb announcement. Up there, weekly meetings. All kinds of nonsense on the posters. End of the world kind of stuff.

I came home and found that my power producer [serves 3 or 4 states] had a Y2k site; access was limited to bulk purchasers. I e-mailed the CEO. Told him what was being said in the northwest; things like limiting access to information was a coverup and, while, I thought this was nonsense, his, wasn't a good policy.

I was somewhat suprised when he left a board meeting to respond. He agreed and opened the site. There must have been some concern there.

By-the-by, he emailed me in 2000 and said that only 10 people had accessed the site, but thanked me for the help. :)

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2001

Beautiful! I love it!! Nutball paranoia in it's purest glory!!!

TK seems to be confused. Must think he's posting to TB2K.

-- Anonymous, September 01, 2001

I've read a few of these threads and have watched how things have morphed. TK starts out rather calm and then escalates into name calling, the same banter that went on during the rollover. Now I'm confused on the point of all this. TK wasn't there, even though he's getting a taste of it, and will not understand. The pollys will not be able to explain or defend their actions. It's just ended up the way the doomer and polly fights did.

Hindsight is 20-20. We all know how Y2K ended; the psychology of it all we'll never know.

-- Anonymous, September 06, 2001

The pollys will not be able to explain or defend their actions.

Maria,

You should look at this as a Big Clue that you and the others were basically sucked into Internet hysteria that caused (and, for some, still causes) this kind of behavior. The worst thing is that so many of you are still being affected by your obsessive worrying about an event that, by everyone's definition, is over. Let me say it yet again: Y2K is over.

I'll also say what I said just a week after I first started reading here: "Nuts. All of it. Nuts." A huckster posing as a demented sort of "doctor" who can barely construct an English sentence, asking you to get busy "BUYING SOMETHING" so he can fight the New World Order. A realtor who thinks he saved the world from evil "memes", babbling nonsense through his various Internet personalities: one of which is named "Loon"; another of which is "Sister Catherine", apparently a nun who is into SM and sex orgies. A group of "groupies" such as Buddy and Cherri, who barely seem to be able to think for themselves.

Do you have any idea how this looks to any normal person? My "name calling" is calling a spade a spade -- when people exhibit behavior that that is wacky and nutball, I call it to their attention. So, hopefully, maybe, they will have sense enough to change it. So that, maybe, Cherri will be able to get it together enough to find a job. Or that Buddy will be able to take some responsibility for his own actions. Or that cpr ... never mind, let's admit that some are beyond any hope.

-- Anonymous, September 06, 2001

Sorry TK, discussing Y2K now does not constitute worrying about it.

Doc is not trying to "fight the New World Order", nor is he even running that web-site any longer.

cpr is cpr. None of us can change him. Usually when he uses other handles, he is trying to be funny. At least that is the way I see it.

As for this part:

A group of "groupies" such as Buddy and Cherri, who barely seem to be able to think for themselves.

Do you have any idea how this looks to any normal person? My "name calling" is calling a spade a spade -- when people exhibit behavior that that is wacky and nutball, I call it to their attention. So, hopefully, maybe, they will have sense enough to change it. So that, maybe, Cherri will be able to get it together enough to find a job. Or that Buddy will be able to take some responsibility for his own actions. Or that cpr ... never mind, let's admit that some are beyond any hope.

You are so far off base that you're called out for being out of the baseline, no need to even tag you.

I assure you that Cherri can think for herself. So much so that if you tried to say that to her face you would get an earful for sure.

As for me, you don't know me, and you most certainly cannot psychoanalyze me or anyone else from a few black and white electrons on a web-board.

Now, what actions would you have me take responsibility for, as if there are any that I have done that I have not already taken responsibility for?

-- Anonymous, September 06, 2001

The idea of MARIA being "sucked into" anything is too funny for comment. As an exec. with a major respected contractor, she tried to explain to people that many of their fears were un-necessary and took major abuse from the slimeballs of TB2k Ver. 1.0.

Same for Cherri and Buddy. The internet hysterics were one sided. That was what all the debunkers, reporters, and leading spokes people were opposed to.

The 20 second sound bite (bit actually) version of TK (and some of the doom Zombies themselves who have tried to obfuscate what actually happened at TB2000 as "prudent" or "responsible" to rationalize both the hysterics they believed and even fed or the actions they took) is hardly worth comment.

And the only attitude one should have to such people is that of BIFFY's Founder: UTTER AND COMPLETE COMTEMPT FOR SUCH PEOPLE AND THE **BULL SHIT** THEY TRY TO SPREAD.

Most of them are merely various "shadings" of Gary North and Ed Yourdon. CYNICAL PEDDLERS OF SUSPECT MATERIAL at worst or Ignorant Peddlers of Suspect Material at best.

IN EITHER CASE..........THEY ARE BEST TREATED AS "A JOKE".

-- Anonymous, September 06, 2001

TK, thanks for your opinion of the "big clue" that I lack, but you took that sentence out of context. Look at the sentence immediately preceeding that one. "[You] will not understand." No amount of explanation from the pollys will help you understand. That is, we can not explain or defend polly actions TO YOU, specifically, not anyone in general. You obviously can't or won't get it. As I once wrote before, it was a "you-had-to-be-there" kind of experience. Sorry you were asleep during this world-wide event.

-- Anonymous, September 06, 2001