Someone tell the morons that "cpr" has never posted to Unks and never will.

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http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=005aM4

-- Anonymous, July 02, 2001

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read the thread nearby for laughs.
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000Ruk

To understand part of the troll dynamic, grit your teeth, read every word and look deep into the mind of a major troll cheerleader.

No, there were about 15 more threads of all sorts about this. Chuck set off a Fire Storm which will destroy their Church Home.

Posted by (208.188.23.39) cpr on November 20, 1999 at 07:14:14:

In Reply to: Re: Censorship Day on TB2000 posted by Anita on November 20, 1999 at 06:25:43:

"Chuck" called it "our little Cyber-home" and he was wrong: Church Home is more like it. They go to church worship and serve the Meme and then go about their jobs and homes keeping the "secret membership" quiet. Now they must be so embarrassed that only the most hard nosed will ignore the laughing.

AND.....Family Thanksgiving Meals (always a wonderful time for being reminded of your humble status in life and many past errors....by the rest of your family) is next Thurs.

Whoever is posting the multi-"don't post here" is dedicated to one thing.

Forcing the issue and making sure that in the next few days everyone who goes there will know. I doubt he is alone.

They are very wrong. It will die anyway.

In 1995, I read a site about "how list serves" live and die. It is always true. Without the "right Moderator" list wander. If they wander too far OT, they die. NOT the AOL crap which is "social" but the Knowledge topic lists.

Joel A. keeps RX2000 clean and it does what 100s of members wants: info about Y2k and Health Care. I send him the info on the Fruitcakes who post but he knows most of them also.

De Jager's list needed a strong powerful guide but it was a full time job and the person he needed was a $100,000 yr. level person. They did the next best thing and tried to keep it on tech topics until late 1998 when it was swamped with crud and I left. (I was one of the most active posters).

Most of EY's "guests" could read the posts to Rx2000 or Year2000. And five of us keep them off the International lists. I don't even have to post. I simply send the info to someone in London and he axes the troll with typical British: "Pardon sir, but may I suggest that you need some facts about this matter? Let me help you extract your head from its current location ......"

Letting the Insanity continue is the very best thing that could happen. People are not dumb. They will judge for themselves. That alone will back fire on the censorship efforts. If they shut the list to password, they will die. It will defeat EY's last shots at fame. HUMPTY is nowhere, no interest in it.

I know at most there are only 100-200 there and most of them only lurk. 1/2 are probably luke warm and the forum is probably monitored by watchdogs and maybe the Law. Even North's people know the rules because they don't want the attention of the Fuzz thanks to Herr Gary.

It couldn't go on much longer. The mind control and the efforts to dominate will not go on.

"INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE" is the first commandment of the Net. Just like the Naked Nuke Protestors, they can spin the info but people will LAUGH AT THEM.

I have been on some of these lists since they started dealing with Y2k. At the start you might remember "Candy of the Dome" Turner who got some publicity by claiming she was moving to the hills and changing her Reefer Manufacturing Biz into making Pre-fab domes for people as shelter for Y2k in the sticks. She had a list. Now Ms. Candy is a sincere if nutty Christian who "really" believes what she believes. FINE.

She started a list and at the core were some people who from the beginning directed the show. It was the "worst of the worst". I signed up once and unsubscribed in one day. Later, after exposing a de Jager poster as a fan of Gary, he put me on that list again about a year ago with my postings of facts and about him. The sheer hatred that poured back should have tipped me off.

They asked the one question that I now know is the "question": "What are you doing on a Preparation list??" and "What have you done to prepare?"

THAT is the filtering question on EY's forum and has been for a year. That is the Survivalist Network ID mark. That is NOT DEBATEABLE. They are in the business of "expanding" and recruiting. We know how it is done and we know why (vendors, ego and true believers). It is not a game and in and of itself there is nothing wrong with it. HOWEVER, like anything on the Fringe there are always a few who "get carried away".

THAT is going on now on EY's Pit. It could have been stopped long ago but when you look back it is clear that TIME BOMB 2000 WAS WRITTEN FOR THEM. Not for the "average citizen". It was a targeted market and they milked that market. How big is it?? 1/4 of a million copies of which you may be sure, the True believer bought 10 copies for their friends. They would post to EY's forum that they did so.

WHY?? Because "THIS TIME ,,,,family, ,,,you will see that I am right and if you don't listen to me this time,,,here is the Expert who proves it..,.ETC".

TB2000 was the MANUAL FOR ACTION and used by the Vendors for the Survivalist Crowd.

NOW...in the slide down into chaos...NORMAL PEOPLE WILL LEAVE.

EVEN THOSE WHO CALL IT..........as "Chuck" did: THIS IS OUR CYBER- HOME AND WE ARE A LITTLE FAMILY..(IN THE TEXAS A&M Thread.)

Only the enormous "staying power" of a few are keeping that thing afloat. All over the forums and lists are collapsing from lack of interest. Its the "hard core" of a few and using multiple screen names keeping it going. All the techniques we know and have been analyzed over and over won't work.

They shut off "debate" with a few flames or the thread just "dead ends". (Paul Davis described that 6 months ago.) But it all comes across as the actions of "rabble rousers" or city street pamphleteers.

Unless the members live in a cave, they have to interface with the rest of society. The social pressures on many of them are causing doubts and that is leading to backlashes from the "Core".

The real spam is someone like RC posting page after page of a Baker Hughes site and then when you dig into it, you see it contradicts his whole point.

Even the worst of them are THAT stupid. So the attacks get worse and worse and out come the INVARs. Even Milne has enough sense to stay out of it (of course, he has little credibility even there).

NOW ...I...am getting email from the doomers themselves asking *me* what they should do to save their home or end it. I'm telling them all the board has been seized and controlled by survivalists and vendors and shills for a long time (long over a year). Yourdon was oblivious (or was he??).

cpr

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), November 20, 1999.

-- Anonymous, July 02, 2001

Well, Loon, although not all of Unk's contributors are losers, there are a few who are. You ought to get a load of "Tony Baloney". Sweet Jesus!

-- Anonymous, July 02, 2001

Someone tell the morons that "cpr" has never posted to Unks and never will.

Maybe Cpr knows the kind of reaction he'd get from some of the Wild Wild West's regulars who know he kept "background files" on many of them when they were at Ed Yourdon's orginal forum.

Beyond a Joke--Debunking Forumite Says He is Collecting Background Files on Yourdon Forumites

-- Anonymous, July 03, 2001

Great post. And look how naked the Zombies are as they rage at having the Debunking Flashlights expose their IDIOCIES.
FACT, I only collected the posts of the weird and the ringleaders. We thought it was silly that "Git/Outings" would "out" me and the other debunkers by accusing us of "collecting information" when she and her fellow Toast-ED Worshippers were collecting every last scrap of information to try to prove that the REST OF THE WORLD was "SPINNING" y2k. They even had Lisa at work so convinced she would post who the "spinners" were working for (while she was traipsing all around her area looking for a lot to build a new home. Rather curious for someone urging all to "prepare".)
And look who the de-bunkers "exposed": the beloved "R.C." who should have used the initials "B.S.". The "leadership" of the FUD Makers who were misleading with propaganda while the Vendors of Military Surplus lined their pockets (and those who supplied the click throughs ((600 Y2k prep sites erected from 1998 to mid- 1999)) ).
And after? The same FUD peddlers who slunk off denying they were "responsible" for anything ? From Toas-Toast-ED who looked for 6 months for any semblance of disorder to justify his use of the Gary North Outine to the hapless Roleigh Gump who closed his list and went off to chant the merits of the world's greatest singer, Selena. Give it a rest. IRRESPONSIBLE, FUD MAKERS LET GO BY "TIME". While the Originator of the whole "Domino Conspiracy" of Y2k Gary Duct Tape merely did what he always does after he has been wrong, "sorry, but I guess I made a boo boo".
Look at all the "winners" who respond. Where are they now? The "Robert Cooks" (Dems spiked 30,000 ballots to defraud the Fla. Election for alBore). Outings/Git? CT the Stalker? And the rest of the "Brain(less) Trust" who directed and choreographed the end of TB I forum while the rest of the net and the real world LAUGHED THEMSELVES SILLY.

-- Anonymous, July 03, 2001

does it look to you like y2kdave turned into ct in that thread? it does to me

-- Anonymous, July 03, 2001

i read it wrong.

-- Anonymous, July 03, 2001

And the rest of the "Brain(less) Trust" who directed and choreographed the end of TB I forum while the rest of the net and the real world LAUGHED THEMSELVES SILLY.

Cpr, most of the Net and the real world don't even know who people like you or Paul Milne or Ed Yourdon are. Your having been the top poster on The Debunking Y2K Board -- a board seemingly dedicated to following everything said on TB I -- may be why you don't have perspective on this.

Some people worried about Y2K in the late '90s. You worried about people who worried about Y2K, Cpr. In retrospect, worry about Y2K looks foolish, and so does worry about doomers.

-- Anonymous, July 06, 2001

The difference is that Y2K is over but other more enduring jousts in the name of salvation go on and will because the enemy (Pogo's?) is as immortal as mankind itself. The railing is no different nor the danger more threatening than the last time a little group of people worried too much about something too small to matter.

-- Anonymous, July 07, 2001

Well-said, Carlos. Last year it was the Chinese. I haven't been paying attention; what is it this year?

-- Anonymous, July 07, 2001

Last year it was the Chinese. I haven't been paying attention; what is it this year? -- (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), July 07, 2001.

According to some living in L.V., its GWB who is "the great threat".

-- Anonymous, July 08, 2001

Oh, it's not so much that he's "the great threat"; it's that the man is a moron and he caters to no one but his big AWL (homage to you) and big business pals.

Therein lies the danger; or "threat", if you will.

Oh, silly me; there's nothing wrong with that, right?

LOL. So how's it going cleaning up the mess the idiot left in TexASS? Find the money to pay for that tax cut yet? LOL (again).

-- Anonymous, July 08, 2001