Diane J. Squire

I am sure I speak for many here: Do feel free Diane to use any of us as a Character reference.

-- Anonymous, June 15, 2001

Answers

Here are a few comments by some who visit here.

Fair winds my friend. *sigh*

-- Carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), March 02, 2000.

Diane, There are few acts of love greater than changing the dirty diapers and staying up all might with a sick child. Your stint as sysop has matched that kind of devotion. Thank you for all that time, effort and caring. Thanks don't seem like enough.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), March 02, 2000.

May the road rise to meet you...

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), March 02, 2000.

-- Anonymous, June 15, 2001

You GO Doc! I think an email campaign to IU might be in order. Kinda like the MIT action.

-- Anonymous, June 15, 2001

This "woman" is in charge of books? Hahaha let the burning commence! She has a website which goes to a Latte joint where books are apparently read? keep the laughs coming.

as someone dear likes to say: You can't make this stuff up.

-- Anonymous, June 15, 2001

Diane J. Squire, staff member of The School of Library and Information Science

From late 1998 to the spring of 2000, this woman was one of the main fear mongers on a Y2K DOOMSDAY internet site called 'Time Bomb 2000'. I'm surprised that a quality institution such as IU would have someone with her baggage in a staff position. Her credibility was never in question....she has none.

She left a lot of ‘friends’ behind that will never forget what a wonderful person she is, or not.

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=005Udg

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=005UMY

*sigh*

-- Anonymous, June 15, 2001

Howdy:

Back home again. Skiing wasn't so great.

To this Diane thing. I thought that everyone knew this last Fall. I am not one to judge other folks, but I remember the first time Diane posted on the ol'board. She came across as some kind of new age flake. A lot of regulars [particularly those with the magenta neck syndrome] made fun of her. She persisted.

I don't know the details of what went on there, but I didn't find her overly offensive. I know [and you probably also know] who the offensive mod. were. Of course, I don't claim to know Diane, up close and dirty, so I could be wrong. I know who banned me from all of his sites and I know who sent me e-mails; all of which were lies. Two or more different people involved there.

Seems to me [if you want to villify anyone], I have some better candidates. Of course, you may know things that I don't.

Seems like something to be forgotten from the past. Finally, it seems to me that many people feel that this site had more impact on the general population than it did. Sure there are still people posting on the Olson site that say: hey, I lost my life savings getting ready for Y2K, but I am glad I did. When the next great disaster comes, I will know what to do [I'm not actually sure what that means :<))) ]. In the general population that I know, no one ever heard of Ed, Chuck, Diane or the rest of the crew that we all knew and chuckled about. Indeed, the software folks that I work with to develop my custom programs [east coast] had never heard of Ed.

Now some sleep.

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Anonymous, June 15, 2001

It gets deeper and deeper.

http://www.mis.indiana.edu/Faculty/dianeS.html

-- Anonymous, June 15, 2001

No apologies here. Character and loyality have a price and Diane is paying it. Fortunately I doubt she gives a shit.

-- Anonymous, June 16, 2001

Carlos, I responded to you on Unk's. I'm pretty sure she doesn't give a shit, but frankly, I don't think anyone cares whether or not she gives a shit.

You say she has "character"; others would look at her and say she IS a "character".

I'm glad she's "move on" with her life. I, too, don't exactly understand why anyone has to dredge this shit up a year and a half later.

But I also responded to your previous defense of Old Git; two peas in the same "power-hungry" pod. These people are getting back what they gave others. Diane may not give a shit, but I have a hunch the other one does and responds in "kind" (sic). Your "defense" of these people is admirable, but completely unjustified; they aren't worthy of defense by anyone, let alone you. Their actions were nothing short of reprehensible.

Diane's moved on; good for her. Hope she's happy in all she does. I have another hunch that she doesn't necessarily wish the same for others.

She had an opportunity to "make friends" after all the bullshit was over. OTFR started a new forum where EVERYONE was welcome. Of course, Diane wouldn't have had "the keys" and consequently no "power". Others did; and we formed a new (and lasting) friendship amongst some really terrific people. But ("sigh"), even though there was a stellar opportunity to become "part of the group", DJS rebuffed. She sure did turn tail and run very quickly when it came time to answer for her transgressions.

Of course, we all know O.G. still posts under various and assorted handles; you can't hide that attitude. Perhaps someday O.G. will come clean and tell me just what it was I did to her/him to warrant some of the attacks over the past year-plus. But I'm not holding my breath because *I* don't give a shit.

-- Anonymous, June 16, 2001

Carlos, you STILL don't 'get it', do you? If one is judged by the company he keeps than you must except the heat. You have always seemed to be a good person with a rational outlook on most things so don’t be too surprised to discover that few folks share your warm feelings for the likes of Diane Squire and Old Git.

-- Anonymous, June 16, 2001

Doubt most ever realized as much, but my main "deal" in attempting to get the Y2kSHILLFarm(Yourdon's TBY2k)off the MIT servers was an issue of name-use mostly. These freaks had the seal of approval by way of the MIT name.

This illegal(MHO based on MIT's own bylaws) use of the MIT name was the issue for me. Course said use was done by having a "webforum" ( or more accurately links to FUD, and vendor pages with occassional user testimonials)running on MIT infrastructure. All under the guise of being some Open Public Forum, which it most definitely was not. This forum use over MIT made it look legit, wrong. The censorship episodes only confirmed this which was the reality before the blatant deletions began in earnest.

Shortly after the rollover new information came to light about what the possible MIT connection may have been. I admit this is my own opinion and conclusions, but maybe you will find it relevant.... http://www.stand77.com/wwwboard/YardeniandhisIDGconnection.htm

As to Squire, well what exactly was she hawking? Who thinks Diane spent her many hours at the PigFarm out of the goodness of her heart? Was she paid? who knows? I don't and I doubt any of the vendors will admit as much. Does it matter? In hindsight I think it is ALL that does matter concerning the Y2k SCAM.

As to emailing Indiana U, I am against this personally, but it is a free country. Hey this is the same place which had Bobby Knight on staff for 20+years so understand the level of intelligence you are emailing to.

Other than this, Doc has "no comment", lol.

-- Anonymous, June 16, 2001

BTW, who else shares this distinction?

"She is a graduate of California State University at Los Angeles and has an MBA from Pepperdine University"

Hint, her last name is McGovern.

-- Anonymous, June 16, 2001

Doc:

Doubt most ever realized as much, but my main "deal" in attempting to get the Y2kSHILLFarm(Yourdon's TBY2k)off the MIT servers was an issue of name-use mostly. These freaks had the seal of approval by way of the MIT name.

Actually, I don't know the arrangement; maybe you do. While I always accessed the board from linux with an MIT address [now shut down], most didn't. Universities such as MIT and BU have long had arrangements to encourage business start-ups. These involved renting out facilities on campus to private groups and providing technical support. Been there, done that. This could have been one of those cases. I just don't know. Yes, there are non-MIT operations run on the campus; at least for a time. Many universities do this. May not be university connected. Part of a public outcry for universities to become more relevant.

To convince me of your argument, you will need to find the details. For me, I don't care enough to look for them myself. Too lazy.

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Anonymous, June 16, 2001

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl? msg_id=0012Bg

Course NOW Lusenet is hosted using the arsdigita.com domain. Before that, it was over MIT.

-- Anonymous, June 16, 2001

Doc:

That was my guess but I didn't and still don't know. This bboard is a small part of greenspun.com. I guessed that is was an ard project and had nothing to do with MIT. Without seeing the cooperation agreements, there is no way of knowing. I'm damned sure that they aren't going to give them to the likes of us. *<)))

Best Wishes,,,

Z

-- Anonymous, June 16, 2001

This forum is served up using a tweaked AOL platform(see Phil's book). It is done using Sun Sparc Servers which were donated by Sun Microsystems to MIT in part. Link on Phil's main page to the Solaris info is now a fat404 sadly. The link provided all the nuts and bolts of the set-up like it existed back at the time of these issues.

Here is what you have Z. Phil helped/did build portions of the MIT IT infrastructure. He is on their faculty(or was). As such Phil was given considerable "slack" shall we say. I believe this has now ended to a point. I would venture because Phil decided, not MIT.

I think it is really important to understand Phil is/was in complete control here and not MIT over parts of the university infrastructure. This is my opinion of course but there it is. This AOL platform is Phil's baby and thus one can assume few really know too much about it. Fact few if anyone else uses this platform is proof enough. Last I checked, it was even open source and still it remains an obscure software animal.

Now also consider my contention also that this TBY2K thing may have been, or became a "research" project of IDG in part. Factor in the fact the McGovern's and their Brain Research Center on the MIT grounds. I do not think this any coincidence at all. Y2k WAS IDG's baby online. What better a place to "monitor" the state of the issue than a webforum you control. Provactive if nothing else this. Would the MIT administration question the activities of the McGovern's? doubtful. Phil Greenspun? doubtful again.

Look, I do not believe Ed Yourdon deciding on this Lusenet thing by sheer accident. A guy who thinks excessive traffic from Virginia (AOL's home)indicative of FBI monitoring from Langley, raises questions to his supposed sophistication. One does not just happen- upon Lusenet without a connection. In Ed's case it probably was because he is an Alumnist of MIT. Were it went from there is anybody's guess. I think at some point the forim was taken over/away and turned into something far different than a place to discuss Eddie's Literary Horse Feathers, Timebomb2000.

I also do not think it mere coincidence Declan McCullagh's politechbot mailing list, was also once served-up over MIT infrastructure. One of THE insider Lists BTW. I also do not think Declan's Y2k involvement any accident.

Yes I believe in Conspiracies. When the question of Y2k and the internet are raised, do you blame me?

-- Anonymous, June 16, 2001

Doc:

You are sounding a lot like Zog. Get him a strong drink

One does not just happen- upon Lusenet without a connection.

I found it without a connection; early on. Lusenet is a big system. I got here from there.

As an aside, none of this speculation means anything unless we can see the cooperation agreement. That lays down the rules of responsibility for MIT and cooperaters. I haven't seen it. If it wasn't an MIT operation, then your argument doesn't hold water. Hey, I am not defending the other side, but I have had an agreement with the same institution and I know what is specified.

Everything else is a Zogism. *<)))

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Anonymous, June 16, 2001

Well that sure was a waste of time.

The information was presented. You are perfectly free to ignore it. But no you instead decide to belittle me.

You provide ZERO. Nothing beyond "I know better". Well so what, am I supposed to just believe you and ignore the evidence and history?

Go do SOME research and do not waste my time again with the bs you have tossed back here as some sort of response.

Guess what Z, *I* know better about all this than you. I also know more about a one Zog than you do. You have both wrong.

-- Anonymous, June 17, 2001

Z, you continue to be one of the most pompous assholes on this, or any other forum.

Have a nice day!

-- Anonymous, June 17, 2001

More Diane J. Squire on the record. Plus a comment from another doomer on the same thread.

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0018TP

ATTENTION MODERATORS

CD,

This issue has been beaten to death, over and over, and over again. Why do you, and the rest of the De Bunkies keep pushing it? (As anyone can read yall discussing it there ad nauseaum).

Read the guidelines. GUIDELINES... not rules. This is essentially a self-moderated forum. And many moderators are simply tired of the constant attempts at mud-wrestling and outside manipulation.

When Ed left most regular posters declared that they wanted little or no moderating. The few deletes resulted in outraged cries of censorship mostly from the folks over at the De Bunker site. (This you and the regulars are well aware of).

So, as a consequence, the TimeBomb 2000 Forum has been getting little or no moderating. With some exceptions as responded to YOUR question here, CD...

System Moderators...Help Please

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 0017z2

Do I personally like it that way? NO! Will it remain that way? Not sure yet.

Id use the Delete key often... on all sides. But when it IS used there is a hue and cry... when its NOT used there is a hue and cry. Believe its called being stuck between a rock and a hard place. And the Moderators are as polarized about the issue as the posters are. Catch-22.

Its the regular posters here themselves who really need to look at what they write for posterity and each other, and whats important about WHAT they focus around the Y2K issue.

They have to CHOOSE to refrain from rudeness and flaming. Its about... personal choice and personal responsibility. No one can make someone choose to behave with more decorum... UNLESS there is widespread support for more moderation. (And that does not mean dictated moderation by a group who has consistently attempted to disrupt this forum).

If and when, the guidelines tighten up, and a heavier hand at moderating is taken, then it will be because the regular long-time TBY2K posters--who are concerned about the impact of the Y2000 problem on their personal lives, and who want to discuss various fallback contingency plans with other like-minded people--want it that way.

If you dont like it here, you are free to leave.

Nuf said. Again.

Back to Y2K.

Diane, Sysop

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), July 25, 1999.

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I think OutingsR's analogy about the ballgame is a good one. I think of a forum as a social gathering in the living room of the host. This forum, as originally conceived, is hosted by Ed Yourdon. He posted a sign on the front door that says, "This forum is intended for people who are concerned about the impact of the Y2000 problem on their personal lives, and who want to discuss various fallback contingency plans with other like-minded people" Ed Yourdon, and his views on Y2K, are well-known to those who find their way here. If not, the intended purpose makes it quite clear what the nature of this social gathering was meant to be.

The Debunking Y2K forum is hosted by Doc Paulie, so the living room there is his. The sign posted on the front door makes it pretty clear what the nature of the social gathering there is intended to be. I don't see regulars from this forum posting at the Debunker forum, which indicates to me that, as a group, we have the intelligence to comprehend posted guidelines and the conventions of hosted social gatherings.

Now, the question might be, why is it that so many from Doc Paulie's living room, who strongly disagree with Ed Yourdon's view of Y2K, and the intended purpose of TB2000, choose to come here? Why are they here telling us how stupid/foolish we are, how ignorant our host is, how shabby our treatment of them is, how poor our moderating service is, etc.?

I have often wondered what the reaction at the Debunking Y2K forum would be if we behaved in a similar fashion. What if a handful of our regulars (I'd nominate will continue, "a", and King of Spain) who enjoy sarcasm, and perhaps have more taste for the fight, took up some new handles: Y2KProphylactic, PollySucks, Sandy Raywell, you get the idea. Then they all logged onto www.anonymizer.com and got anonymous IP numbers (like the Debunkers who post here), and started posting on a regular basis at the Debunking forum; at least 2 or three of them would need to post there multiple times on a daily basis. When the regulars at Debunker start flaming them, what if our group started long, multiple threads there complaining of their rude treatment? What if our regulars kept up this behavior for, oh, 6 or 7 months, like what has happened here?

You tell me, CD, what do you think would happen? Do you think Doc Paulie might offer them an apology for the rudeness? Change the guidelines of his forum? Tell his regulars to be nicer to them? Reprimand mutha nachu for being sarcastic? Delete cpr's posting privileges?

-- Concerned Citizen (more@foodfight.com), July 25, 1999.

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-- Anonymous, June 17, 2001

Howdy Doc:

I asked God about his plan,

To save us all from Satan's slaughter

If I give up one of my lambs

Will you take me as one of your daughters

'Cause I want to get right with God

Yes, you know you got to get right with God.

Lucinda Williams

Some people think that Homer Simpson is a cartoon character rather than a person created by Nathanael West in "The Day of the Locust".

No data. What comes around goes around. No data. Hope you like satire. *<)))

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Anonymous, June 17, 2001

Doc: As a parting comment,let me quote another, little known song; leave a little room for your friends.

Best wishes,,,

Z

-- Anonymous, June 17, 2001

Guide to the Ownership, Distribution and Commercial Development of M.I.T. Technology

-- Anonymous, June 18, 2001

Funny, I always pictured her with a funky haircut and a tiny black 'stash under her nose....

-- Anonymous, June 25, 2001