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From: Eric Cordian Subject: The Muzzling of Tim McVeigh To: cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 13:12:26 -0700 (PDT)

The government is being real careful not to let Tim McVeigh have a forum to speak prior to his closed-circuit murder on May 16th. They have forbiddden any televised interviews, and the lap dogs in the US press are being very careful to not quote verbatim a single word McVeigh has said, instead relying on editorial pieces disguised as news, in which topics like McVeigh's "remorse" and his use of the term "collateral damage" are spun to exacting federal standards.

Fortunately, McVeigh wrote down his reasons for the OK bombing, and mailed them to a friend. This friend kept them secret, until McVeigh directed a UK journalist to contact the friend, in order that the material could be released.

So, while the press in the "Country That Never Apologizes" continues its anti-McVeigh ranting, readers in Britain are getting the facts of the case directly from McVeigh.

In McVeigh's Own Words:

"I explain herein why I bombed the Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City. I explain this not for publicity, nor seeking to win an argument of right or wrong. I explain so that the record is clear as to my thinking and motivations in bombing a government installation. "I chose to bomb a federal building because such an action served more purposes than other options. Foremost the bombing was a retaliatory strike; a counter attack for the cumulative raids (and subsequent violence and damage) that federal agents had participated in over the preceding years (including, but not limited to, Waco). From the formation of such units as the FBI's Hostage Rescue and other assault teams amongst federal agencies during the 80s, culminating in the Waco incident, federal actions grew increasingly militaristic and violent, to the point where at Waco, our government - like the Chinese - was deploying tanks against its own citizens. "Knowledge of these multiple and ever-more aggressive raids across the country constituted an identifiable pattern of conduct within and by the federal government and amongst its various agencies. "For all intents and purposes, federal agents had become soldiers (using military training, tactics, techniques, equipment, language, dress, organisation and mindset) and they were escalating their behaviour. "Therefore this bombing was meant as a pre-emptive (or pro-active) strike against these forces and their command and control centres within the federal building. When an aggressor force continually launches attacks from a particular base of operations, it is sound military strategy to take the fight to the enemy. Additionally, borrowing a page from US foreign policy, I decided to send a message to a government that was becoming increasingly hostile, by bombing a government building and the government employees within that building who represent that government. Bombing the Murrah federal building was morally and strategically equivalent to the US hitting a government building in Serbia, Iraq, or other nations. "Based on observations of the policies of my own government, I viewed this action as an acceptable option. "From this perspective, what occurred in Oklahoma City was no different than what Americans rain on the heads of others all the time, and subsequently, my mindset was and is one of clinical detachment. (The bombing of the Murrah building was not personal, no more than when Air Force, Army, Navy or Marine personnel bomb or launch cruise missiles against government installations and their personnel). I hope that this clarification amply addresses all questions." McVeigh also comments on Feds thinking the law doesn't apply to them:

"When the post-inferno investigations and inquiries by the Executive and Legislative branches of government concluded that the federal government had done nothing fundamentally wrong during the raid of the Branch Davadians at Waco, the system not only failed the victims who died during that siege but also failed the citizens of this country This failure in effect left the door open for more Wacos. "Some time after the fact they received awards, bonus pay and in some cases promotions for their disgusting and inhumane actions at Waco and Ruby Ridge. "This was exemplified years later while I sat in prison, The Ruby Ridge FBI sniper, Lon Horiuchi, was charged by the state of Idaho for his actions. "The federal courts threw out the charges, ruling that federal agents are immune from the laws that govern the common citizen. "The surviving Davidians were sentenced to lengthy prison terms, despite protests from the trial jurors. The primary 'checks and balances' system had again failed to correct the system. "It was at this time, after waiting for non-violent checks and balances to correct ongoing federal abuses and seeing no such results, that the assault weapons ban was passed and rumours subsequently surfaced of nationwide, Waco-style raids scheduled for the spring of 1995 to confiscate firearms. "These rumours were so persistent and deemed so credible that some congresswoman wrote letters to Attorney-General Janet Reno inquiring as to her intents and admonishing her to call off the raids. "As it turns out these rumours were actually based on fact. "Through the legal process called 'discovery' the Oklahoma City bombing defence learned that both the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) and the FBI had formulated raid plans for the spring of 1995 at Elohim City in eastern Oklahoma. So for those who dismiss such concerns as paranoia you need to look a the facts as they existed a the time and further reflect that the Waco raid was not imaginary - it was a real event. "It was in this climate then, that I reached the decision to go on the offensive - to put a check on government abuse of power where others has failed in stopping the federal juggernaut run amok.

As Gore Vidal said, "This guy's got a case." Too bad he's being spun by the Federal propaganda machine as some sort of rabid terrorist.

Isn't killing a disarmed POW a human rights violation? This principle should apply to an Army of One, just as it applies to an Army of Many.

-- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Answers

Story of McVeigh's Death Gives Journalists Pause

Up to 1,600 journalists will soon descend on Terre Haute, Ind., to cover the execution of Timothy McVeigh for the 1995 bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City that left 168 people dead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/08/national/08EXEC.html

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-- Anonymous, May 08, 2001

http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/061497okla-list.html

THE LIST OF THE DEAD

List of Dead in Oklahoma Bombing

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Aleman, Lucio Jr., 33, Oklahoma City. Alexander, Teresa, 33, Oklahoma City. Allen, Richard A., 46, Oklahoma City. Allen, Ted L., 48, Norman. Almon, Baylee, 1, Oklahoma City. Althouse, Diane E. Hollingsworth, 45, Edmond. Anderson, Rebecca, 37, Midwest City. Argo, Pamela, 36, Oklahoma City. Avery, Saundra ``Sandy'', 34, Midwest City. Avillanoza, Peter, 56, Oklahoma City. Battle, Calvin, 62, Oklahoma City. Battle, Peola, 56, Oklahoma City. Bell, Danielle, 15 months, Oklahoma City. Biddy, Oleta, 54, Tuttle. Bland, Shelly Turner, 25, Tuttle. Blanton, Andrea, 33, Oklahoma City. Bloomer, Olen B., 61, Moore. Bolden, Army Sgt. 1st Class Lola Rene, 40, Birmingham, Ala. Boles, James E., 50, Oklahoma City. Bolte, Mark A., 28, Oklahoma City. Booker, Casandra, 25, Oklahoma City. Bowers, Carol, 53, Yukon. Bradley, Peachlyn, 3, Oklahoma City. Brady, Woodrow, 41, Oklahoma City. Brown, Cynthia Campbell, 26, Oklahoma City. Broxterman, Paul G., 42, Edmond. Bruce, Gabreon, 3 months, Oklahoma City. Burgess, Kimberly Ruth, 29, Oklahoma City. Burkett, David N., 47, Oklahoma City. Burns, Donald E., 63, Oklahoma City. Carr, Karen Gist, 32, Midwest City. Carrillo, Michael J., 44, Oklahoma City. Chafey, Rona, 35, Oklahoma City. Chavez, Zackary, 3, Oklahoma City. Sharon Chesnut, 47, Oklahoma City. Chipman, Robert, 51, Edmond. Clark, Kimberly K., 39, Oklahoma City. Clark, Margaret L. ``Peggy'', 42, Chickasha. Cooper, Antonio A. Jr., 6 months, Midwest City. Cooper, Anthony Christopher II, 2, Moore. Cooper, Dana L. Brown, 24, Moore. Cottingham, Harley Jr., 46, Oklahoma City. Cousins, Kim R., 33, Midwest City. Coverdale, Aaron, 5 1/2, Oklahoma City. Coverdale, Elijah, 2 1/2, Oklahoma City. Coyne, Jaci, 14 months, Moore. Cregan, Katherine, 60, Oklahoma City. Cummins, Richard, 55, Mustang. Curry, Steven, 44, Norman. Daniels, Brenda, 42, Oklahoma City. Davis, Sgt. Benjamin L., 29, Edmond. Day, Diana Lynn, 38, Oklahoma City. DeMaster, Peter, 44, Oklahoma City. Deveroux, Castine, 49, Oklahoma City. Driver, Sheila, 28, Oklahoma City. Eaves, Tylor, 8 months, Midwest City. Eckles, Ashley, 4, Guthrie. Ferrell, Susan, 37, Oklahoma City. Fields, Carrol ``Chip,'' 48, Guthrie. Finley, Katherine Ann, 44, Yukon. Fisher, Judy J., 45, Oklahoma City. Florence, Linda, 43, Oklahoma City. Fritzler, Donald, 64, Oklahoma City. Fritzler, Mary Anne, 57, Oklahoma City. Garrett, Tevin, 16 months, Midwest City. Garrison, Laura Jane, 61, Oklahoma City. Genzer, Jamie, 32, Wellston. Goodson, Margaret, 54, Oklahoma City. Gottshall, Kevin Lee, 6 months, Norman. Griffin, Ethel Louise, 55, Edmond. Guiles, Colleen, 59, Oklahoma City. Guzman, Marine Capt. Randolph, 28, Castro Valley, Calif.. Hammons, Cheryl, 44, Oklahoma City. Harding, Ronald, 55, Oklahoma City. Hawthorne, Thomas, 52, Choctaw. Higginbottom, Doris Adele, 44, Oklahoma City. Hightower, Anita C., 27, Oklahoma City. Hodges, Thompson E. ``Gene,'' 54, Norman. Holland, Peggy Louise, 37, Oklahoma City. Housley, Linda Coleen, 53, Oklahoma City. Howard, George M., 45, Vallejo, Calif.. Howell, Wanda, 34, Spencer. Huff, Robbin A., 37, Bethany.

Hurlburt, Anna Jean, 67, Oklahoma City. Hurlburt, Charles, 73, Oklahoma City. Ice, Paul D., 42, Midwest City. Jenkins, Christi Y., 32, Edmond. Johnson, Norma Jean, 62, Oklahoma City. Johnson, Raymond L., 59, Oklahoma City. Jones, Larry J., 46, Yukon. Justes, Alvin, 54, Oklahoma City. Kennedy, Blake R., 1 1/2, Amber. Khalil, Carole, 50, Oklahoma City. Koelsch, Valerie, 33, Oklahoma City. Kreymborg, Carolyn A., 57, Oklahoma City. Lauderdale, Teresa L., 41, Shawnee. Leinen, Catherine, 47, Oklahoma City. Lenz, Carrie, 26, Choctaw. Leonard, Donald R., 50, Edmond. Levy, Airman 1st Class Lakesha R., 21, Midwest City. London, Dominique, 2, Oklahoma City. Long, Rheta, 60, Oklahoma City. Loudenslager, Michael, 48, Harrah. Luster, Aurelia ``Donna,'' 43, Guthrie. Luster, Robert, 45, Guthrie. Maroney, Mickey, 50, Oklahoma City. Martin, James K., 34, Oklahoma City. Martinez, Gilberto, 35, Oklahoma City. Mathes-Worton, Tresia, 28, Oklahoma City. McCarthy, James Anthony, 53, Edmond. McCullough, Kenneth, 36, Edmond. McGonnell, Betsy J. Beebe, 47, Norman. McKinney, Linda G., 47, Oklahoma City. McRaven, Airman 1st Class Cartney J. Koch, 19, Midwest City. Medearis, Claude, 41, Norman. Meek, Claudette, 43, Oklahoma City. Merrell, Frankie Ann, 23, Oklahoma City. Miller, Derwin, 27, Oklahoma City. Mitchell, Eula Leigh, 64, Oklahoma City. Moss, John C. III., 50, Oklahoma City. Nix, Patricia, 47, Edmond. Parker, Jerry Lee, 45, Norman. Randolph, Jill, 27, Oklahoma City. Reeder, Michelle Ann, 33, Oklahoma City. Rees, Terry Smith 41, Midwest City. Rentie, Mary Leasure, 39, Bethany. Reyes, Antonio, 55, Edmond. Ridley, Kathryn, 24, Oklahoma City. Rigney, Trudy, 31, Midwest City. Ritter, Claudine, 48, Oklahoma City. Rosas, Christy, 22, Moore. Sanders, Sonja, 27, Moore. Scroggins, Lanny L., 46, Yukon. Seidl, Kathy L., 39, Bethel. Sells, Leora L., 57, Oklahoma City. Shepherd, Karan D., 27, Moore. Smith, Chase, 3, Oklahoma City. Smith, Colton, 2, Oklahoma City. Sohn, Army Sgt. 1st Class Victoria, 36, Moore. Stewart, John T., 51, Oklahoma City. Stratton, Dolores M., 51, Moore. Tapia, Emilio, 50, Oklahoma City. Texter, Victoria, 37, Oklahoma City. Thomas, Charlotte A., 43, Oklahoma City. Thompson, Michael, 47, Yukon. Thompson, Virginia, 56, El Reno. Titsworth, Kayla M., 3 1/2, Lawton. Tomlin, Ricky L., 46, Piedmont. Treanor, LaRue, 55, Guthrie. Treanor, Luther, 61, Guthrie. Turner, Larry L., 42, Oklahoma City. Valdez, Jules A., 51, Edmond. VanEss, John K., 67, Chickasha. Wade, Johnny A., 42, Edmond. Walker, David J., 54, Edmond. Walker, Robert N., 52, Oklahoma City. Watkins, Wanda L., 49, Oklahoma City. Weaver, Michael, 54, Edmond. Welch, Julie, 23, Oklahoma City. Westberry, Robert, 57, Oklahoma City. Whicher, Alan, 40, Edmond. Whittenberg, Jo Ann, 35, Oklahoma City. Williams, Frances A., 48, Oklahoma City. Williams, Scott, 24, Tuttle. Williams, William Stephen, 42, Cashion. Wilson, Clarence, Sr., 49, Oklahoma. Woodbridge, Ronota A., 31, Edmond. Youngblood, John A., 52, Yukon.

-- Anonymous, May 08, 2001

ONE EXTREMIST'S "COLLATERAL DAMAGE":

Cooper, Antonio A. Jr., 6 months, Midwest City.

Cooper, Anthony Christopher II, 2, Moore.

Coverdale, Aaron, 5 1/2, Oklahoma City.

Coverdale, Elijah, 2 1/2, Oklahoma City.

Coyne, Jaci, 14 months, Moore.

-- Anonymous, May 08, 2001

What bothers me almost as much as what he did --

is the fact that money from American taxpayers has been keeping this beast alive all these months, long after he admitted what he did.

Snuff this roach!

-- Anonymous, May 12, 2001

Strap a minicam on his coconut and put him on top of the next CDI Implosion.

-- Anonymous, May 12, 2001

I would like to propose an alternative should McVeigh escape death on a technicality and because I'm somewhat opposed to the death penalty under the theory "better to let the guilty go free than kill one innocent man".

Put Little Timmy in a secure glass cage for the rest of his life NAKED as a jaybird for all to see. Then move the cage around the USA to every known public assembly point where all can see him for what he is.

No "right to privacy" for him.

Take away any communication devices. No "right to speech" for him.

Periodically allow a full length mirror for him to view himself. Let him live for decades as a guest of the state until he comes to the day when he realizes the enormity of the 168 Murders that did him no good.

This may not have worked for Hester Prynne but then he won't even have the Scarlet Letter to hide behind.

When he finally dies, cremate his remains and scatter them in the Oceans so no possible memorial to him is ever created aside from the 168 EMPTY SEATS IN OKLAHOMA CITY, the Eternal Memorial to EXTREMISM.

-- Anonymous, May 12, 2001