How is God at work in you and your place of worship?

-- Anonymous, March 31, 2001

Answers

No Vicki....don't flatter yourself. Some of us are not posting because of "ad nauseum" posts like yours....(I'm sure you don't mind...as long as we are being honest here). :)

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

The church I attend has been struggling for the past two years. After several elders asked a popular pastor to leave, and were subsequently asked to leave themselves by an outraged congregation which felt they were not led by the Spirit, our church descended into a dark place, with many fighting amongst themselves and many leaving, until we were just a shell of what we were.

But God is restoring us. With a new eldership that desires to serve Christ, and a new pastor who has brought with him a new vision, we are moving boldly forward. "My people perish for lack of a vision." Many who left are now returning. Our high school group, which hung together through our dark period and really were part of the backbone of our congregation, is still leading the way; though our whole congregation hovers around 50, there is a robust core of 30 kids worshipping on Wednesdays.

This Easter we plan to be moving into a larger building to worship in, and our more traditional sanctuary will be used for weddings, baptisms and -- hopefully -- we envision a powerful student worship service in that building alongside the main worship, as we grow. We are stepping out in faith in all of this. (I've also redesigned the church website, http://come.to/qhcc, to reflect our new outlook and we hope to make it more of a tool to reach more Generation-X, -Y and -0 kids for Christ in the future.)

Prayers for our congregation are appreciated. :-)

-- Anonymous, March 31, 2001

Jason:

WOW! Great question. I notice that the usual group on this forum that like to go on and on ad nauseum have not shared in this particular area....maybe because they're too busy slicing up fellow Christians rather than delighting in the Lord! Regardless, our congregation is so blessed! We have always given fellow Believers in our worship services opportunity to share according to Scripture: some bring a scripture, some a word of revelation, others a song, etc. It has given our Body not only encouragement from one another...but has shown that Christianity and worship is a VERB....not a passive noun. There is an enthusiasm and an expectant eagerness as we look forward to each Sunday and wonder what God has in store for the Believers that particular week. It is definitely true that God inhabits the praises of His people....we see Him show up all the time!

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Vickey:

I see that you are speaking more "language of Ashdod".

Do explain just what you mean by the following words:

"It is definitely true that God inhabits the praises of His people....we see Him show up all the time!"

It appears that you mean that you actually SEE GOD show up all the time. Is this a figure of speech? Do you mean to tell us that you metephorically see God in the action of Christians praising Him or do you mean that you literally see God during the offering of such praise. I am asking because I do not understand your words. No such language is found in the New Testament and I have praised God all of my Christian life and have never literally seen God during the worship. I doubt very seriously if you have SEEN him literally either. Thus, I gather that you are speaking metaphorically or in some figurative sense. But you do not make it clear, at least to me, as to what you mean with this statement.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

I re-post because it is worth repeating:

Prayers for our congregation are appreciated. :-)

-- John Wilson (mrbatman@earthlink.net), March 31, 2001.

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John,

I'm praying for you and your church.

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Jason: WOW! Great question. I notice that the usual group on this forum that like to go on and on ad nauseum have not shared in this particular area....maybe because they're too busy slicing up fellow Christians rather than delighting in the Lord! Regardless, our congregation is so blessed! We have always given fellow Believers in our worship services opportunity to share according to Scripture: some bring a scripture, some a word of revelation, others a song, etc. It has given our Body not only encouragement from one another...but has shown that Christianity and worship is a VERB....not a passive noun. There is an enthusiasm and an expectant eagerness as we look forward to each Sunday and wonder what God has in store for the Believers that particular week. It is definitely true that God inhabits the praises of His people....we see Him show up all the time!

-- Vicki Sparrow (sparrow@v.net), April 10, 2001.

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Vicki,

Jesus said. "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do'.

Our church is alive and putting Christ's words into action also, and I thank God that He allowed us to find this wonderful fellowship.

Some 'preachers' refuse to hug a congregant for the simple reason that they are 'packing' a gun to church.

Some who claim to be Christians are so filled with venom that one can't get past their words and attitude to 'hear' their message.

Be thankful for the group with which you 'gather together'.

True Christian fellowship and 'bearing one another's burdens' is a gift from God.

Respectfully,

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Once again E. LEE SAFFOLD you have demonstrated your innate ability to ignore the original post and attack the person with the guts to share their heart and mind. (picking each word apart for meaning)

Still waiting to hear one of those infamous long posts from you concerning God at work in you and your place of worship...or is that presuming too much.

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Keep the PRAISES comming! To God be the Glory!!!

I am praying for God's richest blessings to continue in and through you all!

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Hello, Jason,

E. Lee has denied the work of the Holy Spirit in his life and God is too polite to force his way into an impregnable heart.

Keep praising God! He is good, and greatly to be praised.

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

Brother Jason:

You have said:

“Once again E. LEE SAFFOLD you have demonstrated your innate ability to ignore the original post and attack the person with the guts to share their heart and mind. (picking each word apart for meaning)

Well, it is obvious to any thinking person that you have with the above comments “ignored the original post” and attacked “the person who has the guts” to question what others have said in reference to your original post. It is interesting just how you have the “innate ability” to contradict yourself by committing the very offense that you condemn in me in the very process of condemning it! Such hypocrisy is a glaring refutation of your nonsense.

In my post of which you complain I was speaking in reference to the original post which said:

“How is God at work in you and your place of worship?”

Vicki had responded to it saying that she “SEES GOD SHOW UP ALL THE TIME” in her place of worship. That was in answer to your original post. I did not understand just what she meant and I asked for clarification. It does appear that she claims to have actually and literally SEEN GOD in her place of worship. But she could have been speaking of figuratively seeing him in the praises of the saints or in some other figurative or metaphorical sense. I wanted her to clarify what she meant by what she said. And asking for such a clarification of what someone else has said concerning your original post is not by any means “ignoring the original post” to which they specifically responded. Since you do not like the fact that I have the “guts” to question those who appear to be claiming to have SEEN GOD. You are the only one thus far that has “ignored the original post” in order to “attack” one who has the “guts” to question what has been said concerning your original post. Indeed the legs of the lame are unequal, aren’t they?

I recommend that we discuss instead what God has told us in His divine word concerning how he will deal with us and how He wants us to worship. This would be far more profitable than to hear a bunch of self-deceived people relate their mostly imaginary, certainly subjective and clearly unverifiable experiences. If Vicki is claiming to LITERALLY SEE GOD in her place of worship we have an example of what I expected this thread to produce. A bunch of self –deceived people relating completely unverifiable accounts of experiences such as pretending that they have actually and literally SEEN GOD in the worship. Your very question itself is one that is designed to get people to talk about their “experiences” instead of the teaching of God’s word.

Then you say:

“Still waiting to hear one of those infamous long posts from you concerning God at work in you and your place of worship...or is that presuming too much.”

It is interesting just here that you, after complaining of the length of my posts, now pretend that you are actually waiting to hear yet another one! Make up your mind, brother Jason. Do you want yet another lengthy post or are you still committed to the idea that my post are wrong simply because they are long? Your statement does prove one thing. It proves that it is not the “length” of my post that bothers you but the content, doesn’t it? Thus, if it is the content that you do not like. Then why not complain of the specific parts contained in those lengthy post that you object to instead of merely complaining of their length as if that is the problem when in truth it is not a problem at all. You obviously do not care how much I write so long as I agree with you in everything that I say! Well, you need not hold your breath waiting for me to agree with the recitation of subjective experiences that are impossible to verify as being true and that are, in many cases, contrary to the teaching of God’s word.

Just how you have determined that my posts are “infamous” for any reason is hard for me to determine and certainly difficult for you to prove. You whine about their length. But I wait to see just how long it takes for the fact to sink into your skull that I have no concern whatsoever about the length of my post. Your crying about it is not likely to produce any change.

Why are you “waiting” for me to do something that I have never promised you or anyone else that I would do? You speak as if you expect me to join in these foolish discussions about how “God works” in me and in my “place of worship”. Anyone wanting to know anything about God must go to the word of God instead of the subjective “experiences” of men to learn it. The word of God we know to be the truth from God. But the nebulous and often imaginary subjective experiences of men are usually not true or at least difficult to determine if they are true. WE cannot learn how God works among men from any source other than the word of God.

But you are asking for us to tell our personal “experiences” with God. Such is a worthless discussion. What we should be discussing in this forum is what the word of God has to say about such things. For many people tell experiences that are contrary to the teaching of the word of God and one cannot respond to such relating of personal experiences without giving the appearance of attacking the person. Vicki, if she was in fact claiming to actually SEE GOD regularly in her worship, is not telling the truth. But because it is a relation of her own personal experience no one can respond to such without attacking her personally. And I will not spare any argument made contrary to the teaching of God’s word based upon someone’s personal experience just because one cannot avoid including the person in the attack. If you do not want to receive such attacks do not make your person the basis of a fallacious argument. Much so-called personal experience is contrary to the teaching of God’s word. And those who use such as the basis of their teaching must accept the fact that their experiences will be compared to the teaching of God’s word and the distinction and difference between them will be made crystal clear.

But I have not accused Vicki of making such a claim, as she appears to be making. Rather, I have asked her to clarify how she meant it. This is my right and it is a right thing to do. And I await her response.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

Connie:

You have said:

“E. Lee has denied the work of the Holy Spirit in his life and God is too polite to force his way into an impregnable heart. Keep praising God! He is good, and greatly to be praised.”

Now, Connie, God is indeed good and we should all continue to praise him greatly. But telling a deliberate lie will make your praises to God an abomination to him.

Liars were neither welcome at David’s house nor even in his sight.

Ps 101:7, “He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight.

And I do not know of any house where liars are welcome. It is safe to say that they assuredly are not welcome in God’s house. For our God hates a “lying tongue". “These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.” (Proverbs 6:16-19).

Those who desire to come into the Lord’s presence must not bring a lying tongue with them if they hope to be welcome and accepted of God.

Surely Isaiah was spoking the truth by inspiration when he said:

“None calleth for justice, nor [any] pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.” (Isa. 59:4)

Liars can claim to know God but Jeremiah says, “And they bend their tongues [like] their bow [for] lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.” (Jeremiah 9:3). And our days are very similar to the times of Jeremiah when false prophets spoke lies in the name of the Lord and made false claims of God speaking to them in visions and dreams when in truth they were speaking nothing more than the vain imaginings of their hearts.

“Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.” (Jeremiah 14:14).

“I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall [this] be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, [they are] prophets of the deceit of their own heart;”(Jer. `23:25).

In the same way today we have those who claim that God has spoken to them in dreams, visions, and even by divination but God has not spoken to or by them but they are giving us the “deceit of their own heart”. And anyone who accepts that deceit, as being from God will suffer as did the young prophet of 1 kings 13. For he had been lied to by the old prophet who CLAIMED that God spoke to him because he was also a prophet of God. But God had not spoken to him at all. ANd the scriptures say, "But he lied to him". This young prophet died because he BELIEVED THAT LIE. But Connie has made it a habit to tell this lie. She is not merely mistaken about what I have said. For I have explained it too often. She knows that I have said the Holy Spirit works upon or in our hearts through the WORD OF GOD. But she deliberately tells Jason that I have denied that the Holy Spirit works in our life while she is ever aware that I have made no such statement to anyone in this forum.

And God is not merely “too polite” to force his way into an “impregnable” heart. Can one even imagine a heart that is impregnable to God? Such a heart does not exist that God cannot, should it be his will to do so, force his way into. But the truth is that God will not “force” his way into any heart whether it is considered by feeble and helpless men to be “impregnable" or not. God does not convert any sinner by force. And he does not lead or guide any saint by a forceful direct operation of the Holy Spirit upon their hearts either. God comes to our hearts with WORDS OF PERSUATION. He SPEAKS TO US THROUGH HIS SON. (Heb. 1:1) Who speaks to us through the Holy Spirit who speaks to us through the apostles (John 16:13;John 14:26) who speaks to us in the words of God which were revealed and miraculously confirmed to be from God to the apostles and those upon whom the apostles laid their hands. No, Connie, you cannot show that God works on ANY HEART by force and you cannot show that the Holy Spirit works directly upon the heart of any Christian today. He enters our hearts through the persuasion found in the word of God and by that word he leads us and works upon our hearts to discern their condition and change them. He does not do it any other way.

I have never denied the work of the Holy Spirit in my life or anyone else for that matter. I have made it abundantly clear that the Holy Spirit “works” or “operates” on the heart of man in conversion and sanctification through the word of God. What I have denied is that the Holy Spirit “Dwells” personally within any person today. I have clearly stated that the Holy Spirit dwelt within the apostles and those upon whom they laid their hands for the purpose of revealing and confirming the word of God through which he would henceforth influence, lead, guide and direct the saints. He revealed within that Holy and divine word the gospel of Christ through which men are saved (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Romans 1:16) and he therefore converts men to Christ through the preaching of the word of God (1 Cor. 1:18-21). God, in his sovereignty, has chosen to convert sinners through the gospel and sanctify the saints through His inspired word. Thus, the Holy Spirit works in my life as he does in the lives of all others today through the teaching of His revealed and confirmed word. He does not dwell in any of us as he did in the apostles and those who had received the Holy Spirit through the lying on of their hands. Those who have read my discussion of these matters know that such is what I have said.

I have explained this to you and others a sufficient number of times that you have no excuse for not knowing that such is at least the position that I have taken on the matter. I know that you do not agree with that position but you also know that this position does not claim that the Holy Spirit is not working in our lives. Rather it simply is saying that the Holy Spirit is working in our lives THROUGH the instrumentality of the word of God. This is the reason that the word of God is called the “sword of the Spirit” (Eph. 6:17). And the word of God is able to “discern the thoughts and intents of the heart” (Heb. 4:12) and that word of God is “able to build us up and give us an inheritance among all them that are sanctified” (Acts 20:32).

Thus, when you tell Jason and others that I have “denied the work of the Holy Spirit” in our lives you are lying and you know that you are telling a lie. I have said repeatedly that the Holy Spirit works through the word of God to Convert sinners and sanctify the saints. As even our Lord prayed concerning those who would believe in Christ through the word of the apostles, “sanctify them through thy truth, thy word is truth.” (John 17:17). Thus, I have never once said that the Holy Spirit does not work in my life as you have claimed. I have said that I do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling personally within me and neither do you. And the Holy Spirit is able to work in my life through His inspired word without dwelling within me. And that is exactly what I have claimed that he does and you know it. But you come in here and deliberately tell Jason, what you know to not be the truth. I challenge you or anyone else to show where I have stated that the Holy Spirit does not “WORK” in our lives in any fashion whatsoever. You cannot find where I have said any such thing in ANY PLACE. I have said he does not personally dwell within us and I have made my arguments related to that matter in other threads and will not repeat them just here. My point here, and my purpose in responding to you is to let all see just how deliberately you will tell a lie against someone just because they do not believe the same doctrines that you believe. If Connie does not agree with you folks she will just start telling lies about you. That is her tactic. It has not worked thus far and it will never work because most of our readers are more intelligent than those who do such things give them credit for being. This is the second thread wherein you have told this deliberate lie. And I ignored it previously but now you have shown that it is your purpose to use this lie as often as possible to make it appear to others that I am “denying” the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of Christians. But everyone reading this response can see that I am doing no such thing and that you are telling a deliberate lie about it. It is indeed interesting to see those who CLAIM that the HOLY SPIRIT IS WORKING IN THEIR LIVES reduced to telling lies! I can assure all that it is not the HOLY SPIRIT that has lead Connie to tell such intentional and deliberate lies. Such hypocrisy of one that is claiming to be “led by the Holy Spirit” and “praising God greatly” while at the very same time speaking lies is a shame for any who claims to serve Christ. Such is just plainly disgraceful. It is Satan, the father of lies, that you are serving when you lie in this way Connie. How can you claim to even know Christ when you do such things? You surely fit the profile of those who in the last days would be, “Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;” (2 Tim 4:2).

You talk sweetly about praising God while with the same lips you speak deliberate lies. You should be ashamed of such hypocritical ungodliness. But, you will just “wipe your mouth and say I have done nothing wrong”. “All liars shall have their part in the lake that burneth with fire and brimestone”. If you do not repent of such deliberate lies you will most assuredly take an eternal swim in that infernal lake.

For the cause of TRUTH,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

Again, "How is God at work in you and your place of worship?"

E. Lee Saffold - what a shame you see this as worthless...guess for you the question is: "Is God even in you?" I would be willing to share the Gospel with you that you may know God. I pray for the church that you attend and hope you do not reflect the mindset of your local church body.

Mr. Saffold, please feel free to share your testimony while answering the original thread. You may just encourage someone. Don't rebut what every one else says...just share your heart.

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

Brother Jason:

You have said:

“Again, "How is God at work in you and your place of worship?"

I suppose that you think that by repeating your question you will in some way receive a different response from me concerning it. I have told you before and I repeat it again. If you want to know anything about “how God works” not only in my place of worship but in any and every place of acceptable worship you will have to find that answer in the word of God. You cannot learn it from any other source. You most certainly will not be able to verify anything concerning that matter from the so –called “testimony of men” as being true. And thus cannot know, even if one told you what they perceive that God is doing in them and their place of worship that God is in fact doing the things that they perceive that he is doing. For the human heart is not our guide in these things. We cannot trust anything but the teaching of God’s word about these things. For we are told by the prophet Jeremiah, “ it is not in man that walketh to direct his own steps”. We have God’s word that tells us much about God and worship. That is sufficient for our instruction in these matters. But you do not want God’s word on this matter. What you want is for us to share the perceptions of our hearts, which is worthless in comparison with the teaching of God’s word. WE do not need to be lead to believe that God is working according to our own human perceptions and imaginations. WE know that He is working in accordance with His inspired word. And if our perceptions, imaginations, and the concepts in our hearts concerning this or any other matter are different from the teaching of God’s word then our hearts are not right with God and our practice is sinful. So you will only get from me what God’s word says about these things. You will not get any such foolish “testimony” from me as you are requesting of everyone in this thread. For I cannot testify of anything occurring with me or in my worship that is not already taught in the word of God. The reason that you seek these “testimonies” which can never be verified as being the truth is because you are not satisfied with what the word of God says about worship. And would like for us to be encouraged by the subjective experiences of others to expect similar subjective experiences to occur among the rest of us. Even if those testimonies cannot be verified as being the truth and even if they are contrary to the teaching of God’s word.

Then you say:

“E. Lee Saffold - what a shame you see this as worthless...”

Now, see if you can prove that it is a shame for me to consider your request for information that cannot be verified as true to be worthless. This testifying business is nothing more than a sham and a farce. If one testifies of something that is contrary to God’s word his testimony is shamefully wrong. Vicki, if she in fact claims in her “testimony” that see literally and factually SEES GOD IN HER PLACE OF WORSHIP, is not telling the truth. And to tell speak untruthful things in the name of Christ is shameful. God is not making a literal physical appearance in anyone’s worship. And to make such a claim without being able to prove that it is true is sinful. I still think that she meant this in a figurative way but she has not yet clarified that for us, now has she? But if this is the kind of Testimony you are seeking you will get no such false nonsense from me no matter how many times you repeat the same old ignorant request.

Then you say:

“guess for you the question is: "Is God even in you?"

I recommend that if you would like to have the answer to that question you read what the word of God has to say about those who have obeyed the gospel and are therefore Christians. I do not have the time at the moment to instruct you in these basic matters. But if you will read God’s word you will find that God does not literally take up a physical residence in the bodies of Christians. But that he does influence and guide them through Christ (Heb. 1:1) who has spoken to them through the Holy Spirit who has spoken through the apostles and the inspired writers of the New Testament. (John 16:13;14:26;Jude 3;1 Peter 1:3; 1 Tim 3:16,17).

Then you say:

“ I would be willing to share the Gospel with you that you may know God. I pray for the church that you attend and hope you do not reflect the mindset of your local church body.”

Now, that would be a great improvement over your present course of “sharing hearts”. Yet you have not demonstrated in this forum that you have ever been exposed to the gospel yourself or that you have even the most remote understanding of it. So, we cannot have confidence that you would be able to “share the gospel”. For we have no evidence, from anything you have written thus far, that you have heard the gospel and obeyed it yourself. But I have heard, believed and obeyed the gospel of Christ. And for the past year in this forum have discussed it in minute detail on numerous occasions wherein anyone can see that I understand what the scriptures teach about the gospel of Christ. And if you had read much of that which has been written in this forum you would have no sense of the need to “share the gospel” with one that has already heard, believed, obeyed and is consistently preaching it in this forum.

But instead you speak with an air of arrogance and superiority that implies that you “know God” and you are certain that E. Lee Saffold does not “know God”. And you believe this simply because he does not want to talk of vague, unverifiable subjective experiences and give some erroneous testimony of “mighty things” happening in his life and worship which are beyond the realm of actual verification and are contrary to God’s very word.

Then you say:

“Mr. Saffold, please feel free to share your testimony while answering the original thread.”

Well, Jason, I will let you in a fact that is obvious to everyone else who has the capacity to read that has completely escaped your “brilliant” observation. E. Lee Saffold is as free as a bird to say what he pleases in this forum. And he does not need your permission to do anything. If I believed it was scriptural and right to give such testimony as you describe I would do it whether or not you or anyone else liked it. But it is not right to make up imaginary pretentious testimony, which is impossible to verify as being true in order to leave others with a high opinion of our incredible “spirituality”. And to lead them to expect things to happen to them also that God has never actually done even for those who have testified falsely that he has done for them. All of which could lead honest souls to expect for such things to happen to them also. And when they do not happen for them they begin to think God is a respecter of persons because they have been left out of all these many “wonderful” things which others have been falsely testifying that God has done for them. This foolish nonsense is nothing more than an exercise in “spiritual elitism” and it is a farce and a means of deception. And E. Lee Saffold will have nothing to do with it but to oppose it with every ounce of his being as will all other Christians that are faithful to God’s word. An example is Vicki’s claim that, if this is what she meant by her words, that she “SEES GOD REGULARY IN HIS PLACE OF WORSHIP”. If she meant that God actually appears in a literal way in her place of worship she is not telling the truth. And if she thereby causes others to look for God to “show up” in their place of worship and make similar appearances to them. And because they are honest and unwilling to deceive themselves just to feel that God cares for them as much as he does for Vicki they will soon either reject Vicki’s absurd claim or they will reject God because of her false claim. And this is something that E. Lee Saffold feels absolutely “free” to continually and without ceasing to strongly oppose. And therefore that is what you can expect from E. Lee Saffold. And there is absolutely nothing you can do to prevent it, now is there?

Then you say:

“ You may just encourage someone.”

No, if I did what you and others are doing in this thread I would deceive someone. But during the past year in this forum I have encouraged a number of people to obey the gospel of Christ and become Christians. And it was not done through the “sharing of hearts” but it was done according to the will of God through the “foolishness of preaching” (1 Cor. 1:18-25) the gospel of Christ which is GOD’S POWER TO SAVE” (Romans 1:16). And it was done through “contending for the faith once delivered to the saints” (Jude 3) by the “rebutting” of false doctrines that opposed the truth of the gospel of Christ.

Then you say, as if you have some right to give such orders:

“ Don't rebut what every one else says...just share your heart.”

I have never rebutted everything that everyone else says in any place. But I have often rebutted all of the false doctrine that some have said. And I will continue to do just that as long as they continue to teach false doctrine. And there is nothing on earth that you can do to stop my doing such, now is there? And I have been commanded by Christ to preach the gospel (Matt. 28;19,20; Mark 16:15,16) and to “contend earnestly for the saints” (Jude 3) but I have no word from God that tells me or any other Christians to go about publicly “sharing their hearts”. And you cannot show from the scriptures any such behavior was ever done by the Christians in the scriptures. The choice is between the public “sharing our hearts” as commanded by Jason or preaching the gospel of Christ and teaching the word of God as commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ. My choice is to follow the command of Christ and ignore the orders of our Brother Jason to the contrary of Christ’s commands.

For Christ our Lord,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, April 12, 2001

INCREDIBLE!

-- Anonymous, April 12, 2001