Tootsie is a 9 year old Oberhasli in good health. A griend

Tootsie is a nine year old Oberhasli that a friend gave to me . She had been showed and hand milked and was a family pet. She had needed assitance kidding a couple of times and we decided that since i was home all time i could have her breed and get some good blood lines for my herd. Well to make a long story short The toots finally got around to it 2 days and induced labor late and she didn't have 2 small kids like she had had in the past she had 1 huge doe that we like to have never got out of her, the front leg was folded back. we both had clean hands and used baby wipes in between attempts. We used all the ky and then used mineral oil, we where at our wits end when husband got a finger hooked in bend of leg and out they came. We've experience kidding problem with other goats but they were younger goats and just bounced back like no biggie, but our Tootsie can barely walk and seems to feel so bad. We gave her a penicillian shot right after the birth and another yesterday. I hope I didn't let her get to fat. I realize that she probaly don't feel like dancing a jig but if there's some other care i could give her I'd appreciate any help. She did get ride of the afterbirth about an hour after the kid was born. Hope this is not to long. Hope everyone is having a glory filled day. Sherry

-- sherry (chickadee259@yahoo.com), March 09, 2001

Answers

Please excuse the flub at the start , I wondered what had happened to that line.. Sherry

-- sherry (chickadee259@yahoo.com), March 09, 2001.

Passing the after birth within an hour is very quick! Anywhere before 12 hours is normal.

If her discharge is normal and her temp stay normal, you can quit the antibiotics at day 3. With a large kids head, plus a leg forward, one back, and your husbands hand in beside that.......a ripped cervics could make her feel poorly also straining her muscles. With a rip in the cervics you will normally see the doe squatting to pee and then pushing a little, like a small contraction, this is from a small piece of the tear irritating the cervics. If she starts to look anemic you may have a tear in the uterus, which only shows up as anemia, than a high spiking fever. You will really just have to watch her, keep an eye on her gums for good pink color, and the first sign of infection or a bright red discharge, its vet time.

Actually my first thought with a doe passing a placenta in one hour, would be to go in and make sure their isn't a second kid, no matter how big the first one was. I use dawn dishwashing soap for helping with deliveries, wash the does vulva really well and then using more soap to go in with also. I have a hard time feeling anything with my hand all oiled up, and there has been times when at other folks house (where I religiously wear gloves) that I will pull my hand out, rip off the glove, and go back in because I just can't feel anything! Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh TX (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), March 09, 2001.

Tootsie has a temp of 105. She was doing the squat and strain thing the day after she kidded. She nibbled at her food a little while ago but doesn't have her usual ravishing appetite. So you think there might be another kid in there, oh my this is getting a little scarey.If she has another kid in there how do we get it out. What is the treatment for a torn uterus? Sherry

-- sherry (chickadee259@yahoo.com), March 09, 2001.

105 and kidding difficulties, really the only thing you can do is go to the vet. You could give her 2cc IM of lutelyse and get that cervix back open, it will reopen in less than 36 hours. She will need a good dose of antibiotics, I would choose Tylan 200 and also banamine for the pain and bringing the fever down. A vet could also ultasound her to know if it is a retained kid or just a rip or infection. You may need to entice her to drink with hot molassas water, and its more important to get her to eat hay rather than grain. If the fever stays for very long, or the infection sets in, she will be sterile anyway, the damage done to her uterus if that is where the infection is will build scar tissue. A vet could also run a pipet up into her uterus since the cervix doesn't really close down all the way, especialy in the age of your doe, and flush her with antibiotics. This is the big reason why with any malpresentation or a big gal who usually triplets or twins and only has a single, I always go in and check both horns of the uterus, this way I am not guessing if it is a kid, if a temp elevates. I would know I was dealing with Metritis, inflamation of the uterus or an infection (really the same thing) If her temp is 105 than you need to switch meds from penicillin, especially if you have not been giving enough of the pen, any 300,000 unit pen is given at 3cc per 50 pounds, and in very ill animals like yours you give it every 12 hours, with a 10grams of Probios. The first loading doses of pen you give IM to get the blood levels up, but then you can go to sub q. I don't choose pen for many things, preferring the much less used drug Tylan which comes in 50 for kids and 200 for adults. Get back with me privately if you want more information and aren't going to the vet. 9 isn't really an old goat, she should eaisly be able to give you kids for 2 to 4 more years, but in a situation like this if you have limited funds and not many meds around, your option to put her down would be the most merciful if you can't get the temp down. You can make your own pipet with any non flexible tubing that is the size of a ballpoint pen ink holder, you have to know what you are doing, and the use of a speculum makes it much easier. If you go in cleanly with your hand you may find the cervic open with age of doe anyway, at least open enough to infuse the udder with pennicillin. You may also be able to feel, bare fingered the rip in the cervics and at least know this is what you are dealing with. If you pulled the kid without her pushing that you probably damaged the uterus. Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh TX (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), March 09, 2001.

Tootsie is much better and eating good. I gave her a shot of Nuflor and another of the banamine. Her temp was down yesterday and her gum color is good. Thanks so much for the help.

-- sherry (chickadee259@yahoo.com), March 13, 2001.