Today....Tom Dashel (soon to be Democrat minority leader) came out blasting against Attorney General Nominee....John Ashcroft.

Now if memory serves me correctly, just last Friday....soon to be Republican Majority Leader, Trent Lott....shook hands with Daschel, promised bi-partisan cooperation....and gave a great deal of power to Democrats.

And now today.....the Dems. are blasting away at Ashcroft.

When will the Reps. learn that you cannot dance with the devil??

When will Reps. learn that "bi-partisan" to Dems.....is dropping your standards and doing what they want you to do???

Wake up Bush!!!!.....wake up Republicans!!!!......you were voted in to force an agenda.....not dance with the devil!!!!

-- Anonymous, January 09, 2001

Answers

Mark...(and others)....

Let's talk about this "Chavez" thing.

Personally, I'm glad she withdrew. In fact, this morning I told my wife she should.

Why?? Because after 8 years of trying to determine what the word "is" is.....I want an administration that is completely above board and not parsing every minutia of law in order to skirt around it.

If she knowingly harbored an illegal alien (which she indicated she suspected).....then no matter how good her intentions....she broke the law.

I feel like she needed to go.

What do you think??

-- Anonymous, January 09, 2001

Mark....

I don't disagree with a single thing you said....most especially...."if the Democrats had nominated her."

Goodness....WE ALL KNOW...it's only Democrats who hold the corner on compassion right??? (gag)

Actually.....I told my wife yesterday.....what Bush needs to do now.....is nominate someone even more conservative than Chavez in order to shove it down John Sweeney's throat. (Pres. AFLCIO)

By the way.....we keep hearing about Bush..."holding his hand out to these left wing liberal interest groups??"

I got a question...."When are the left wing liberal interest groups going to hold their hand out to Bush??" Hmmmmm..

Push the agenda George!!!!!!

Oh...and by the way Link....where I live here in IN there are quite a few Mexicans as well.....employed by a number of the farmers in my congregation. As Mark said.....they are hard working and quite law abiding. I wonder if our folks always "check green cards??"

-- Anonymous, January 10, 2001

Jon,

I concur with everything you said!!

-- Anonymous, January 10, 2001

John....

I concur.

However....the key is....after 8 years of "depends on what "is" is".....I think it was a distraction.

-- Anonymous, January 10, 2001

Erithea....

By refering to to "whore, thiefs, etc."....I'm glad you are at least admitting what the Dem. party has become. I'll eat with them...but won't vote for them. (BTW....add "murderers"....i.e., abortion.)

Chris.....when are the Dems. going to "reach out??"

-- Anonymous, January 13, 2001

Chris....

Please list...with facts...the reason that, in your words, John Ashcroft is dangerous.

-- Anonymous, January 15, 2001

Chris....

All decisions which many conservatives (including myself).....agree with.

You didn't answer the question.....how is that dangerous??

-- Anonymous, January 15, 2001

Chris....

There is not one single documented case in US history where an innocent person was executed.

And BTW....after having been invoved in prison ministry a number of times.....I know for a fact that all of them are innocent. They told me.

-- Anonymous, January 15, 2001

Amen Brother.

And if Bush offers the "rumored" pardon to Clinton - it's all over. He will have lost my support and I may have to try harder to come up with that $3500 from the other thread.

Maybe Bush will smell the roses after the way they treated Chavez today?

-- Anonymous, January 09, 2001

Danny,

You are probably right about Chavez's withdrawing her name as being the most upright thing to do, but let me offer 2 thoughts here:

1. If Clinton or Gore had nominated her, she would have been embraced as an America hero, confirmed unanimously, and given a raise! What a lousy set of double standards Liberals ultilize. That ought to serve to wake up a lot of loyal Democrats (especially minorities) - they ARE expendable, depending upon the Liberal's current agenda. Common enemies make strange bedfellows!

2. My background ALMOST make me sympathetic to Chavez's plight. I grew up in a small Texas community which was largely populated (50% +) by illegal hispanics. To this day, I could go to my parent's house and round up about 100 of them & put them to work in an hour's time. After a while, you begin to suspect that all of the local hispanics are illegal because you can't tell the difference - so one tends to become numb to the idea of illegals being "illegal". And to be honest, I'd take one illegal over 10 natural born "citizens" on any given day because, by & large, they are more honest and a LOT harder working (doing the jobs that many Americans consider to be below their dignity). That doesn't make it "right" for them to be here - but it is a sorry state of affairs when these people, who are honestly trying to be good people, are played down by the Natural- born citizens - some of which don't even understand or care about their own Laws of Government (yes Ben - I'm talking about you).

Take this info for what its worth. It may not mean a whole lot, but it does give a glimpse into the mind of Chavez and probably many others in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, & Southern California.

And besides - I would have loved to watch Bush thumb his nose at the Liberals, if she had been confirmed. Hopefully, the Hispanic community will remember this in 2004.

-- Anonymous, January 09, 2001

I had a conversation with a man who had his contractors lisence in California. He said that the way the market for housing was set up in California, illegal aliens were needed in order to keep the economy going. With the price of land and materials, the only way for contractors to offer houses at low enough prices was to employ lower-paid, illegal aliens. He said illegal Mexican workers worked really hard. They work all day even if you leave them alone.

He tried to start a contracting business, seeking to hire legal Americans. He put an ad in the newspaper offering $6.00 to start, offered to give training in construction, and to pay more as the employee learned the trade. he had someone call who had no skills demanding $10 an hour.

This fellow said if there weren't illegal labor building houses in California, there wouldn't be enough real estate on the market, the prices of real estate would go up, and there would be recession.

The contractors he talked to about it said they wrote up expenses for Mexican workers as subcontractors. If you hire someone, you have to check their ID's. But if you hire a subcontractor, you don't have to see his social security number.

-- Anonymous, January 10, 2001

This illegal alien thing is getting too wierd for me. Ms. Chavez isn't the first person who was 'caught' hiring an illegal. How is it that someone who is highly educated (and sometimes a lawyer!), experienced, and with strong leadership qualities could be so stupid as to not know who they are hiring?? Maybe its just me, because I don't seem to recall ever having enough income to be able to hire servants.

But there is a double standard in Washington. The Ashcroft thing doesn't surprise me, because we saw the same thing in the John Tower affair. How is it that a man can serve with distinction for decades in congress or the senate, yet when nominated for a post, there are all sorts of flaws?? Did these things just happen? Of course not. If Tower was an alcoholic like was said, then to me that means that his peers in the senate looked the other way or condoned it for years. Ashcroft will bring integrity and morals to the Justice Department, and some people up there simply do not like that idea one bit. So they will nitpick him. The worst part is that those on the interrogating oops nominating committee are usually of poor moral and integrity qualities themselves (like Teddy Kennedy on the Clarence Thomas committee).

-- Anonymous, January 10, 2001

Dr. Jon,

You could have afforded servants - you just didn't know where to get your "illegals" from. In some places you could have half a dozen for the price of Cable TV (or Internet access). How sad the price placed on human life - especially considering how it is placed by "leaders" of such low repute themselves.

-- Anonymous, January 10, 2001

To be fair, I don't think Chavez hired an illegal, I think she just let the illegal alien stay at her house.

-- Anonymous, January 10, 2001

I won't have a big problem with pardoning Clinton, if it happens. I would like to see him convicted of all the crimes he can be convicted for, but . . .

1) If he accepts a pardon, then he is admitting that he was guilty of those things he has denied.

2) If he goes to trial, I believe that he will most likely be acquitted. I can't see a Washington, D.C. jury convicting him of so mauch as blowing his nose. And if he is acquitted, then we will NEVER hear the end of it --"You see, it was that vast right-wing conspiracy all along!"

-- Anonymous, January 11, 2001

Dance with the devil, you say? I suppose that Jesus having dinner with thieves ( well, tax collectors) or befriending whores ( Mary Magdeline ring a bell?). I don't know where your thought processes come from. I do know that we are supposed to love everyone, no matter what, Democrat or Republican, or *gasp* Independent. Lighten up, and realize that God will take care of everything in due time. You really don't have much control over the situation. Maybe you should trust your Lord and Savior, and quit whining when someone does something you don't agree with. Just learn from it and move on. Ciao.

-- Anonymous, January 12, 2001

Danny: How does your post fit with Bush's desire to be a "uniter," not a divider?

-- Anonymous, January 12, 2001

The Democrats have praised many of W's cabinet picks. That is reaching out.

-- Anonymous, January 13, 2001

Linda Chavez and John Ashcroft didn't seem to think so.

-- Anonymous, January 13, 2001

Do you support Ashcroft and Chavez?

I can't imagine why anyone would support Ashcroft. He is dangerous.

Chavez lied, got caught, and bailed out early. Although very much a right winger, she may have been able to do a decent job. I hope you aren't blaming her lie on the Democrats. She did that to herself.

-- Anonymous, January 14, 2001

Chris,

Ashcroft is a good man for the job...period! A lot of things have been misrepresented in the media about the past - if you believe the TV or newspapers on matters of importance, you'll be lead to the left everytime.

As far as Chavez is concerned - there is NO PROOF she lied about knowing the worker was illegal. Read all the above comments on this thread about those details. It is probably best that she stepped down to maintain a since of morality in Bush's Cabinet. Personally, I think there were more qualified people available for the position, but Bush appears to be reaching out in this nomination as well as in others.

The Ashcroft, Chavez, etc. battles are nothing more than politicians playing the same political chessgame they have been playing for years - though it always seems to be the Liberals that take the cheapest shots in the battle. And that would be because the idea of abiding by any sense of morals never occurs to them. Political expediency is their only motivation, now we're left holding our breath hoping that G.W. can break down this wall.

-- Anonymous, January 14, 2001

Do you dispute the following facts about Ashcroft or that they make Ashcroft dangerous?

He supported an unsuccessful attempt to strip the Federal Communications Commission of power to review pending mergers. The 1999 bill would have relaxed antitrust laws by shifting those powers to the Justice Department or Federal Trade Commission.

As Missouri's attorney general, however, he filed an antitrust suit against the National Organization for Women in 1978. The suit, which failed, accused the feminist organization of violating antitrust laws by organizing a boycott of the state and others that did not ratify the proposed Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution.

He is a supporter of the death penalty, which Missouri resumed on his watch as governor. The state carried out seven executions while Ashcroft was governor, and he never commuted a death sentence.

-- Anonymous, January 15, 2001

1) Freedom of the press gets more restricted than it is today. 2) Freedom of expression and assembly. 3) Killing people is certainly dangerous to them. (Remember that folks on death row have later been found innocent.)

-- Anonymous, January 15, 2001

In regard to the original post, since Bush campaigned on gcreating unity and being non-partisan, don't you think he should try to keep his promise?

I read a message about the President's First Act. it was a declaration of a day of prayer and thanksgiving to God. Was that really Bush's first act as President? If so,it may show a God- fearing attitude. I think Bush is sincere, and not just playing up to the religious right.

You know, I think the religious right has become a rather powerful political force bolstering the Republican party. Now they just need to take over the media, and put a negative spin on anything having to do with premarital sex, divorce, homosexuality, etc. instead of glorifying it.

But our country will only find salvation through the Gospel.

-- Anonymous, January 22, 2001