http://www.msnbc.com/news/512762.asp

-- Anonymous, January 08, 2001

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"Terrorists" is a good label for these people. If it's true about that one example (the guy who's just building his home), it's even more reprehensible. They're destroying a man's right to his home.

OTOH, and I'm NOT making excuses for this type of behavior, how much more can you build up the North Shore? Jeez, in the stupid "developments", the houses are one on top of the other. There's probably ten feet between your house and your neighbor's.

There's a saturation point in that area; and I think they long since passed it.

-- Anonymous, January 09, 2001

SATURATION ? Places with super choice schools and high demographics have been saturated since the 1970s and the Gold Coast from Great Neck to Glen Cove stopped development even before then. Especially around the primo areas just w. of Glen Cove around Planting Fields Aboretum and Locust Valley. From Oyster Bay to Huntington, economics and zoning halted the high density found in Queens.

The "growth" stopped 20 years ago. I will go look for the new figures from the 2000 census. It could be that in the last 5-7 years, the "baby boomlet" and the affluence might have reversed the trend.

Maybe for a "sound" view but there are still open land sites all along the North Shore in Suffolk and W. Nassau Counties.

In addition, population of both counties has been constant for almost 20 years now and the last study of Suffolk Schools I saw showed a serious decline in the overall student population. That study became the basis of Newsday's questioning of the School budgets. One most affluent district was actually building new facilities while closing others. When asked why they said, "we have the money for it from the bond issue.". THAT lead to mucho questioning by Tax Payers.

-- Anonymous, January 09, 2001

http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/news/friday/nd5356.htm

WHAT A RIOT. The Census numbers don't seem to be out but the NY loss of 2 seats in Congress seems to have them in a snit.

The Politicians in NY are now demanding a census RECOUNT but stating "we don't need another Florida".

It looks like my statement about "constant" population is correct but Newsday didn't have the numbers (only many articles on the growth of minority populations ((which figures since they are replacing the lost "retirees" who are cashing their homes for the Joy of Fla. and shuffle boards.)) )

One article claims population on Long Island will rise from current 2.7 to 3.1 MM by 2030 BUT....I recall that Nassau & Suffolk in 1980 were 1.4++ and 1.3++ and the same total came was estimated for 1990. And a Rand McNally atlas confirms that.

It was that projection of zero growth plus the aging of the population that was part of my decision to move to Texas.

(HINT: DFW was 4.1MM in 1990 and 5.2 in 1999 with min. projections of: 7+++ by 2030. LAS VEGAS and AUSTIN might have bigger % growth but we have bigger numbers of humans to start with. Calif. out of no place and a 5 year stagnation added a mere 2 mill in the 1990s.)

-- Anonymous, January 09, 2001

It is not just the North Shore.

Oregon

These people are everywhere.

Best Wishes,,,,,

Z

-- Anonymous, January 09, 2001

You know, Charlie, EVERYTHING in the world doesn't have to be "Dallas" vs. NYC (which, BTW, is STILL "the greatest city in the world", your sig file notwithstanding).

Sigh... Someday you'll just have to tell me why you REALLY left NYC ;-)

As to the North Shore, there SHOULD be untouched areas, but all the damn developers see is LAND and PROFIT. And yes, in this case, that's a **bad thing**.

-- Anonymous, January 10, 2001

One of the prime motivators for chosing Dallas is simple.

We have more and better looking Females than any other place I have ever been per capita. That is demonstratable even in supermarkets early on Saturdays pre-make up/war paint. Since I used to live across the street from the Plaza Hotel where a similar analysis can be performed in the surrounding blocks during weekday lunch breaks.....I speak with some authority on that subject. (Females have confided to me that the "men are not so bad either".)

I also left NYC because I did not think it was going to be the place with the greatest number of opportunities in the future. I had been thinking that way since toying with the idea of N. Va. or Washington /Oregon for 8 yrs.

I moved here because of the PEOPLE.....and.......because the Credo of the US is "tomorrow will be better". In Texas they added: "because we will make it better". That is also the driver of Western Civilization not "trading paper while screwing people in deals" ala: Wall St. (Thank you, Ross Perot.)

People in the Western US notice that the Sun RISES come hell or high water and it is time to get up and get working.

I left for a collection of reasons mostly economic. I knew Telecomm was headed to Richardson and that DFW was an IT center. So the move away from Energy was clear. Cost of Living was (still is) 29-40% of NYC/LI. That implied in the late 1980s that NYC was not "economically" competitive at a time when the US was under severe pressure to "cut costs" because of offshore competiton. It made no sense to house back office people and even back office HQ people in midTown Manhattan at $50-65/ft + assorted hassles involved with being there.

And I was not alone: Exxon, the crown jewel of the Rockefeller Family and the Center of the "Establishment" decided to move here along with several other major corps. That was a clear signal that a NYC HQ was not "necessary" if you had to **COMPETE** by cutting costs.

AND both IBM and AT&T have sold or leased out their Corp. HQ buildings. They were not alone.

NYC was "saved" by again reinventing itself into a center for the Net businesses serving the remaining Corp. HQs. and also by the 10 year boom from the depths on Wall St. Your BUDDY, RUDY, and THE REAL PowersThatBe in NYC in the City Club, turned Times Sq. and other areas and you know the price they paid while the potholes on the Cross Bronxxx and LIE were filled with patch instead of the total resurfacing needed.

After the crash in NYC in the years around 1990,

Other areas were even more competitive than DFW but I happen to like it here and best of all it is TOTALLY surrounded (except on the far north end where Plano, the Ellis Island of Texas is)........ by Texas.

While NYC has more culture in one place than any one single human can take in ....in one lifetime, the quality of life (EXCEPT FOR: BENSONHURST and the Upper East Side or Gramercy Park) is highly debateable and clearly questionable.

-- Anonymous, January 10, 2001

OH..........I also SERIOUSLY considered both Cincinnati (really nice people and older city) and BOSTON (everything in walking distance with heavy emphasis on Culture and Education).... but the first Cold Snap and monthly reports through every winter of Neg 10 to Neg 35 F (actual not wind chill) ended that train of thought.

-- Anonymous, January 10, 2001

Sigh.....should have indicated that was rhetorical. But no matter; I simply MUST address this (most laughable) of statements:

People in the Western US notice that the Sun RISES come hell or high water and it is time to get up and get working.

Excuse me while I ROTFLMAO..........

-- Anonymous, January 10, 2001