I am statring a new thread beacuse the board is not allowing answers to new questions to be placed....

DID JESUS die for ALL? YES! Salvation is a gift. Before putting ANY gift to use you must first ACCEPT IT/RECEIVE IT After I bought and paid for my new lawnmower last summer I could not mow my lawn until I took DELIVERY of it. In other words RECEIVED it. The same goes for Christ he died for all sinners, but no one can use this free gift UNLESS they ACCEPT DELIVERY/BELEIVE themselves that Christ died for their sin as an individual.

Al-D, below is a passage from the bible where God had every oportunity to show us another way into heaven (as you suggest) after death but He shows us just the opposite instead.

Accepting Jesus now, in the flesh, before our death, is the ONLY way as this real story (not parable) shows.

Luke 16:19-31

19 "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, `Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.' 25 "But Abraham replied, `Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.' 27 "He answered, `Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' 29 "Abraham replied, `They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' 30 "`No, father Abraham,' he said, `but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' 31 "He said to him, `If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

This to me has said it all.

-- I Belive in Him (Jesus is King@Kingdom.come), October 27, 2000

Answers

I Believe,

It's a problem with that particular thread. dinosaur left an open tag on his Judas question. You can see your post if you left click on your mouse & scroll down.

-- flora (***@__._), October 27, 2000.

OK. I-BELIEVE, you want ->THE WORD!! now i know it will bust your bubble,but hrer goes!!1 john2:-1 tim 2:16-heb.2:(-1st cor-1522-TIUS- 2:11-12-ISA.-25:*-PSALM-22:27-28-PSALM-72-:11-17-PS.-86:9-1ST- TIM.4:10 ISA>-45:24--PLEASE NOTICE THE WORD ALL!! P.S. THE HELL JESUS was talking about was the city-dump outside jerusalem!!it,s now a garden!!YES there is a judment for the wicked- er=the self-righteous-and men will give an account-for deeds done in flesh!-what,s cast into hell[wrong-thinking] is death & grave! what goes into lakw of fire?? the satanic-mind-&death & hell!! the carnal=MIND is emnity towards GODS-LOVE-that,s what,s destroyed!! *OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING-FIRE!!=HIS WORD BRO.-HIS WORD!! DO YOU REALLY THINK=JESUS CAN,T SAVE=AFTER PHYSICAL DEATH?? as by fire!!--correction!!

the judment,s of GOD are ALL for good of all LOST-SOUL,S!! HE HATES SIN--NOT-SINNER,S!!in the eons-of-eons-all will be cleansed!! *MERCY-TRIUMPHS--OVER---JUDMENT* do you know who will be weeping & wailing & gnashing of teeth?? it will be the the self-righteous who preached a false-GOSPEL!! yes-yes-yes there will be accountability- but GOD has promised his anger is but for a little while!! *THE LAKE OF FIRE-WILL-CLEANS & RESTORE!! *******JOHN 3:16=THE WHOLE WORLD**in the ages to come=eons! it is GODS WILL that non-perish!! please read ALL scripture not just the warning ones!! ""SEE"" how great GODS-LOVE-REALLY IS!! ALL MENS works WILL BE SET ON FIRE-WORK,S BRO. NOT SOUL,S! don,t be like the pharisees who controlled by fear!!!!! be like st. paul & preach the GLORY OF THE CROSS=ONLY!! leave the result,s to GOD!!

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), October 27, 2000.

P.S. JESUS never said please accept me[doctrine of man] HE did SAY WHOEVER-BELIEVES!!HE ALSO SAID NO-ONE CAN COME UNLESS DRAWN BY FATHER!!do you understand 1st-fruit,s?? i promise you-the un-believer,s WILL believe as soon as they see HIM!! GOD does not have maalox-moment,s because some resist-HE has all eternity to PROVE to them,the error of there way,s!! do you truly believe GOD will let=death-hell-satan-annul HIS[MASTER- PLAN]

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), October 27, 2000.

So al-d has some new age, all roads go to heaven, kind of view of Christianity.

Will wonders never cease?

-- J (Y2J@home.comm), October 27, 2000.

Hey, al, I just realized (thanks to 'sumer, who bumped up the thread) that you never answered a question I posed to you on this thread, you are SO loved!!.

I'll re-post it here:

Hey al, that's great news -- congratulations!!

I do have a question on what you originally posted. Since I first read this thread, I've been trying to figure out what the difference between 'spirit' and 'soul' might be. What's the difference to you?

-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), October 20, 2000.

Thanks al (and happy Friday to all).

-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), October 27, 2000.

If all WOMEN are not saved, then count me out!

-- (evil women @ are. the most fun), October 27, 2000.

ALL MENS works WILL BE SET ON FIRE-WORK,S BRO. NOT SOUL,S!

How do you explain the rich man in Luke 16 19-31

-- I Belive in Him (Jesus is King@Kingdom.come), October 27, 2000.

Interesting, the 'once saved always saved sydrome'.

IF that IS the case, Lets keep on partying live like devils, cuz we gonna git to heaven anyhow.

*sigh* somehow, the above just doesnt sound right, does it?

-- conspurgatory (shh@aol.com), October 27, 2000.

let,s save time-see >TENTMAKERS.ORG yes,yes,yes all men will give an account.

GOD made a PROMISE in eden--will he keep it??

the carnal-mind cannot understand & is opposed to SPIRIT!!

*PERFECT-ED LOVE CAST,S OUT=FEAR* Hi, PAT, the female part of man[soul]=eve--can be decieved--the spirit [male]=adam is not!! ST.PAUL said=walk in SPIRIT-not in soul. I really shouldn,t be putting out the MEAT of the word--until the babes are OFF the milk!!

until the church=grow,s up--we get baby-talk!![slavish-fear}

it,s not about self-goodness--it,s about growing up-becoming=mature sons who will RULE with GOD/CHRIST!

HERE,S WHAT INFANTILE PREACHER,S ARE SAYING-'IF YOU DON,T DO AS [I] SAY-MY? GOD WILL KILL YOU AND ROAST YOU FOREVER!!

IT,S 1 THING TO NEVER HAVE HEARD THE GOOD NEWS-ANOTHER-TO-REJECT IT!

the prodigal son=WASTED =[lived for self] his inheritance[sonship]on riotous living[temp. pleasures of sin]he ended up in pigpen=[hell] >sooner-or-later ALL get it!! he =reaped what HE sowed!!---he came to himself[a-son] YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY!!--hell is =separation from LOVE OF GOD!! BUT-BUT as soon as the son[came to his senses]he was headed=HOME!

PRIDE GOES BEFORE=DESTRUCTION!!!so what must be destroyed-> PRIDE!! as by=what-->fire!! ENOUGH-search & find!! bye!!

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), October 27, 2000.

Thanks, al, but I think I'm more confused now than I was before. I don't get [<--- irony alert, for those payin' 'tenshun] why a soul (female) would be deceived, but not a spirit (male). Then again, I don't even get why the soul is female but the spirit is male (IOW, why the "gender" designations?).

Sigh.

-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), October 27, 2000.

HI PAT,who was 1st at tomb of jesus?? women[soul seeking-spirit] you are dearly beloved of GOD!! did you know GOD has a feminine-side?? 1 of the names of GOD=ancient-hebrew is=the many breasted 1. who washed jesus feet,with her=tears?? GOD took=eve out of adam!! now this is spiritual[so don,t get shook] if eve'had ignored satan [thought]=lie!!we wouldn,t be in the mess we,re in-but wait where was adam??[now let,s rewind to before GOD created man?woman-he said'' LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE""ADAM KNEW THAT EVE WAS GONNA DIE-AND HE CHOSE TO DIE TOO!=TYPE OF CHRIST!! what is bilical-death=separation from GOD!! SATAN SAID EAT THE FRUIT[INDEPENDANT THOUGHTS]and you,ll be like GOD!!

BUT WAIT A MINUTE-GOD SAID THEY WE,RE LIKE HIM!!so wuz-up?? gee i guess GODS KIDS shouldn,t believe lies!! GOD who is SPIRIT only gave-them 1 command=test!! HEY he KNEW THEY WE,RE GONNA FAIL!!SO-CHILL!! no-test=no experience!!! HMMMMMMM-so now it ALL boil,s down to'who ya gonna BELIEVE?? NOW BACK TO SOUL& SPIRIT!!if we live ONLY in soulish-realm[thought,s- will-emotions]we can get=decieved!!this ain,t a gender-thing-some women are more-SPIRITUAL!!so wheres JESUS in all this? well the bible [spirit] say,s he was slain before man was created[oooweee] is GOD AWESOME!!=solution 1st--problem[test]2nd!! ummmmm i better go for now[here comes da flame-throwers] i just love those kids!![they,re obeying GOD] and don,t have a clue- yeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwww!

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), October 28, 2000.