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http://home.cyberarmy.com/tmw/The Web page above is an interesting read.
If you think you are FREE then read some of the info at this site.
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http://www9.pair.com/xpoez/money/money.html
This site is about Moneypulation (Money Manipulation).
As far as I am concerned this is what Revelations is talking about re: the BEAST. Some of the articles even refer to the Federal Reserve as The BEAST.
Killing the Banking Beast Review on the book Creature from Jekyll Island by Jane H. Ingraham appearing in the Sep 1994 New American. Secret manipulation of monetary system by the Fed. Invisible fleecing via inflation, a tax equal to approximately ten times the national debt! Astonishing quotes by founding fathers against fiat money. Section on NWO. Ordering information on the book at end.
(Prov 22:7 KJV) "The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender."
In other words if you owe the banks you are a servant of the BANKS.
That is the nature of the beast.
"The truth shall set you free."
(John 17:17 KJV) "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
IMO Jesus was not interested in setting up a religion. He was interested in the Establishment of Truth, Freedom, and Justice for all. Which, I suppose, could be construed as religious.
This USURY SYSTEM will eventually be destroyed. In the mean time..."Knowledge is power."
-- Anonymous, May 02, 2000
We must remember, Mark, that the root of all evil is the love of money (therefore power).The economic forces evident in the end times will be under the beast's control.
TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY IN BIBLE PROPHECY
Lesson 40: The role the ten-horned economic organization will play in dismantling Mystery Babylon's power.
I The Revelation emphatically promises that Christ will prevail over the ten-horned alliance's attempt to eliminate the world's Christians.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful (Rev. 17:14).
A How will the ten-horned alliance actually make war with the Lamb during the days of the prophecy's fulfillment?
1 Since no earthly group of nations can engage "the Lamb," Jesus Christ the Creator God, in a physical war, it follows that the Ten's war will be directed at Christ's earthly followers.
2 Accordingly, the ten nations, along with the beast, will use their powerful economic leverage to make war against Christ's faithful followers, by denying them access to the world's computerized economic system.
B At the end of the age, the text promises that Christ will return with His faithful and defeat the beast and destroy the ten-horned international financial system.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues (Rev. 17:15).
A Here, as in Daniel 7, the waters represent the world's peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
B The whore represents the world's capital city, "Mystery Babylon," that will rule over all the Earth's people.
II In time the ten horns initial support for the international capital city will change to hate.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire (Rev. 17:16).
A Why will the ten horns willingly "give their power and strength unto the beast," initially, but later "hate the whore?"
1 At first, only Christians and other undesirable people will be subjected to the oppressive policies set up by the bureaucrats running the capital city.
a But once the international government gets its secret police firmly in place, suddenly no one will be immune from being labeled undesirable.
b Everyone will be subjected to living in fear.
2 Eventually the ten nations will come to the point where they have had enough and fight back.
B How will the Ten break the world capital's reign of terror?
1 They "shall make her desolate and naked" shows that the Ten will systematically strip the city of its unlimited authority over the world's financial system.
2 They shall "eat her flesh" implies that the Ten will confiscate the goods and wealth the capital will amass during its three-and-one-half year reign of terror.
3 As a final solution they will wipe the international capital city off the face of the earth with atomic fire.
C What does this passage reveal about the boundaries of the world government's power?
1 "These have one purpose and give their power and authority to the beast" (Rev 17:13, NASB) shows that the ten most economically affluent nations will agree to let the international capital city regulate the world economy without hinderance.
2 At the same time, apparently in the interest of world peace and economic recovery, the Ten will go along with the world capital's sinister and violent liquidation of anyone opposing their grand plan, including the wholesale removal of the individual rights of the common man.
3 However, the statement "the ten horns...shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire," points out that the world capital and its powerful economic institution will not entirely displace the governments of individual nations, nor will it gain real control over the military forces of the world's nations.
III A careful look at the meaning of John's summary statement concerning the certainty of the fulfillment of God's prophesied judgment of "Mystery Babylon."
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled (Rev. 17:17).
A Does this verse mean that God will force these ten nations to help establish a Satan-inspired one-world government?
1 No, if it meant God will make the nations set up the world government it would introduce a gross contra- diction, since the last beast's primary objective will be the destruction of Christ's earthly Church.
2 Obviously God would not ally Himself with these ten nations by giving them a plan of action against His people.
a Quite the contrary is the case.
b The Revelation warns all nations, hundreds of years in advance, not to join a one-world government movement.
3 Furthermore, if the verse meant God will force the nations to set up the world government it would also contradict the plain meaning of the initial introduction of this subject.
13 "These have one purpose and give their power and authority to the beast (Rev. 17:13, NASB).
4 Clearly, the ten nations will consciously agree to "give their power and authority to the beast;" God will not force them (like robots) to do any of this evil against their will.
B A fair question to ask here is if "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will" does not mean God will manipulate the Ten's every action, what does it mean?
1 Isaiah's forceful introduction of AWWI, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, . . . and the earth shall be utterly laid waste and utterly despoiled; for the LORD has spoken this word" (Isa. 24:1, 3), provides insight into the meaning of John's text.
a For instance, even as "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty" does not mean God will literally bring AWWI upon the Earth, but rather, AWWI will come to pass according to the infallible Word of God; so does John's equivalent statement, "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will" not mean that God will literally force the leaders of the ten-horned group to give their kingdoms unto the beast.
b Instead, John's prophetic statement means the rulers of the ten nations will give their kingdoms unto the beast according to the infallible, pre-recorded, foreknowledge of God.
2 Note further that the qualifying statement "Until the words of God shall be fulfilled" is equivalent to Isaiah's clarifying comment, "for the LORD has spoken this word" (Isa. 24:4).
a That is, God will not literally force the ten kings to relinquish their power to the beast, but rather, the ten will agree among themselves to do this unprecedented act according to the "words of God."
b Thus, John's startling unbending statement "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will," is a typical example of the language the prophets of Israel used to emphasize the certainty of an unparalleled future event coming to pass.
3 Why did John employ the typical bold language of the Hebrew prophets to underline the certainty of the actual fulfillment of this event?
a In this case, the act of not one, but ten future powerful rulers handing their kingdoms over to a newly formed city of administrators was so implausible (and still is) that the natural reaction would be to dismiss the statement as far-fetched.
b The rulers of this world do not give up so much as a particle of their power; they only strive to get more.
c Hence, in an effort to counteract this natural reaction, John declared that the fulfillment would be as certain as it would be if God compelled the ten nations to give their power to the beast by putting the order in their minds to "fulfil his will."
4 According to this text, what is God's will concerning the destiny of the world government?
a The word "until" declares that the Ten will eventually decide among themselves to strip the world capital of its power, in keeping with the previous verse:
b "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire" (Rev. 17:16).
c In the end God's will for His people--a world where they can live in peace and free from the world government's persecution--will prevail.
d God's words of judgment against the place, therefore, will be fulfilled--the city and its inhabitants will be utterly destroyed by fire.
IV John ends this prophecy by identifying the woman as the symbolic representation of the capital city that will reign over the nations of the earth.
18 And the woman whom thou sawest is the great city having a kingdom over the kings of the earth (Rev. 17:18, IGENT).
-- Anonymous, May 02, 2000
The above is from 'Today's Technology in Bible Prophecy' by Charles W. Miller; Pub. 1990.
-- Anonymous, May 02, 2000
IMO we are already there.IMO the Beast is the SYSTEM.
This past century has seen the most barbaric wars...(Mat 24:21 KJV) "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."
The Powers that be are gaining/have gained control of everything/virtually.
I think that if you start looking at the World scene you may discover the BEAST of Babylon is in control. It will likely get worse before it gets better.
The wars described in the OT show thousands of people dying, the wars of the past century show that MILLIONS have died.
Revelations says there are three unclean spirits that draw the entire WORLD TO WAR. Two world wars are past and IMO we are to endure one more world war.
The economic system is the BEAST.
Want to test it. Buck it.
Read some of the info on the web site. Money is the reason for the wars, USURY to be more exact. The Money Powers make money on interest. That is one of the main reason Roosevelt STOLE the Americans GOLD and SILVER in 1933.
Study money and you find the EVIL BEAST SYSTEM.
IMO America has been taken over while the preachers kept looking for some future fullfillment of prophecy. That's probably one of hte main reasons Jesus tells them "I never knew you!
(Mat 22:13 KJV) "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
IMO "outer darkness" is exile from the KINGDOM.
-- Anonymous, May 04, 2000