This is a continuation of the "Vindication?" thread....

============ LunaC,

Thanks again for more predictions. You really got me going now. Too bad this link is about to scroll of the page.

Your predictions are for the NASDAQ, are you going to do the Dow next? I have been looking per the data you provided (thanks again) and it's simply stunning -- more so than the NASDAQ, i think.

For one, take a look at 5/28/00, which is close to its solar return -- the Dow is having a progressed new moon in the second house squaring some nasty 11th house action, Pluto oppose Pluto, ETC, and all on the same day as the Jupiter Saturn conjunction. Yowza!

We are looking at a substantial restructuring of the Dow at least, and therefore probably the entire market economy, if you ask me. I don't know much about mundane or financial astrology, though, so I am not comfortable making specific predictions yet myself. I hope you have the time to take a look at the Dow and let us know what you think. And please start it as a new thread.

-- Aspectress (aspectress@busylookingup.com), April 16, 2000.

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The Pluto opposition Pluto on May 11th looks pretty dastardly. Pluto is traditionally the ruler of death and destruction for the purpose of rebuilding and metamorphosis so it does indeed look like the Dow is in for some major overhauls.

But what's interesting is that on May 11th, transiting Pluto is retrograde...for the non astrologers: a planet will travel over a certain area of the heavens, appear to go *backwards* over the same area, then move *forward* over the same area once again. Essentially the same area gets hit three separate times.

If we want a clue as to what may happen on May 11th we can look back to when Pluto first travelled over this area on January 21st. As I've mentioned in other posts, the effects of slower moving planets can be felt a week or so before and after the actual aspect date. The Dow closed at 11722 on January 14 (one week prior to the aspect) and closed at 10738 on January 28 (one week after the aspect) for a 984 point drop for this time period. We may very well see the same fluctuation in price surrounding the May 11th date.

BUT...with Mars obviously acting like a trigger for the Nasdaq chart, we can apply that same reasoning to the Dow chart. This being the case, May 20th looks like The Big Plunge. On that day, transiting Mars will lock into place not only with Pluto (destruction) opposition Pluto (destruction) but also with *Progressed* Mars (explosions) sitting on top of it all.

With May 20th being a Saturday, watch the previous Friday and/or following Monday for heavy downward movement.

The third and last time Pluto will travel over this area will be November 16 - 17, which should bring another tumble in price surrounding that particular date.

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), April 18, 2000

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>>BUT...with Mars obviously acting like a trigger for the Nasdaq chart, we can apply that same reasoning to the Dow chart. This being the case, May 20th looks like The Big Plunge. On that day, transiting Mars will lock into place not only with Pluto (destruction) opposition Pluto (destruction) but also with *Progressed* Mars (explosions) sitting on top of it all.

With May 20th being a Saturday, watch the previous Friday and/or following Monday for heavy downward movement.

The third and last time Pluto will travel over this area will be November 16 - 17, which should bring another tumble in price surrounding that particular date. <<

And be very careful around May 1st, that's when the full moon will be opposite ur-anus! So much for those dark rings.....

-- penelope pooh (lunacyisus@dot.com), April 18, 2000.

election day is Nov. 7th

-- george.gore (al@.bu.sh), April 21, 2000.

Hi, I've been following LunaC's posts ever since i found out she/he nailed the April 14th decline. I must admit, I was not a believer in astrology. Now, i'm more of a believer than not. I also follow the Bradley siderograph to time the markets. Anyhow, all of her/his posts are deleted along with the thread. I was wondering if someone can email me a post where LunaC had all the dates that she predicted for the market. I believe it was a 4/15/2000 post from the Stock/Economy thread. Or if LunaC can email me, that would be great. Thanks!

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), April 22, 2000.

Philip - I believe the list of Nasdaq dates you're looking for is down near the end of the Vindication? thread.

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), April 24, 2000.

Hi LunaC, Thanks for the link. Which thread do you and the rest of the gang hang out now? I'm not sure if anyone posts on the "vindication" board you gave me.

Anyhow, I would like to start contributing but have only started learning about financial astrology. I plan on getting more into it and, perhaps, taking a class in astrology this summer if i have enough time. I look forward to your posts.

By the way, here is that Bradley Siderograph i was talking about. http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Exchange/9807/Charts/SP500/SID0022 0.gif It had predicted some turning points in the markets. You had mentioned that July 23 is the Big Decline Day. This graph points to a top around mid-July. Perhaps, the decline starts there? If you're not familiar with the siderograph, I have links for an explanation of it. Well, back to lurking and thanks again.

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), April 28, 2000.

Phillip:

Thanks for posting. Welcome to our warped little world. I will be starting a series of topics surrounding the Converations with God Books-Debra is going to help and I am sure Hawk will chime in-and who knows who else-maybe the attack christians : ) .

Look for this over the weekend.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), April 28, 2000.

Philip - Thanks for joining in. If you're new to astrology and need some tips or explanations, please feel free to post them for the group's input. After all, it's a learning experience for ALL of us!

The Bradley siderograph sounds interesting but the link you provided didn't work. If you have alternate info/links I'd love to know more!

As for July 23rd...Pluto is stationary/retrograde which makes it seem to stop dead in the heavens thereby giving it a greater influence. I've always looked at a planet's first passage over an area as "the set-up", with the Retrograde motion creating "the crisis", and the final Direct motion forward as "the resolution". So anytime you have a retrograde planet, you can actually watch a story with a beginning, middle and ending play out right in front of you over time.

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 02, 2000.

While I wouldn't like to enter as an "attack Christian, I would like to contribute something along the "astrology is garbage" line.

If astrology's *not* garbage, and is in fact useful for predicting the future, could you do me the favor of providing me with several weeks' worth of correct Calif. lottery numbers? The reason for this is that a general "the market will go up" or "go down" is useless without knowing what specific stocks will do, even if by luck you're right 50% of the time.

BTW, if you CAN give me correct lotto numbers on demand, you will have made a lifetime believer out of me.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), May 02, 2000.

Oops, amend the "attack Christian" part to add the final quotation mark. Thx.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), May 02, 2000.

Frank, if you did your homework you wouldn't be asking silly questions such as this. Once you have taken the time to investigate the subject further then we can have an intelligent conversation and I'll gladly accept your apology for being such a bore.

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 02, 2000.

Lunacy,

I read the other thread you cut & pasted my post to first, and replied there. Please read that one.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), May 03, 2000.

Hi FutureShock and LunaC, Thanks for welcoming me to your "warped" little world. -g- LunaC Re: that Bradley Siderograph link i pasted- I just copied and pasted it onto notepad to see what was wrong with the link. The ending shows a space between the last number "2" and the number "0".It should havebeen "SID00220.gif" NOT "SID0022 0.gif". So, if you can just make sure there is no space between those numbers it should work. I'll post it again but without the "http" so that the link is shorter. This should work. www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Exchange/9807/Charts/SP500/SID00220.gif

The Bradley Siderograph uses astrology to forecast important turning points and has been pretty accurate. It nailed some of the major bottoms and tops last year. Here's an explanation. (I have no idea what Bradley is talking about here, but I'm sure you do) www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Exchange/9807/Charts/SP500- Articles/SideroWork.htm (make sure there is no space between the dash "-" and the word "Articles")

This graph goes goes beyond July: www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Exchange/9807/Charts/Bradley/Siderograph. gif (again, watch out for a space at the end)

Sometimes the chart inverts and the top becomes the bottom and vice versa. Good luck.

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 03, 2000.

Thanks Philip! You were right about the spaces in the URL I was pasting into my browser and once corrected it all worked fine! Interesting stuff! Maybe I'll dig up the info for when the S&P started trading, throw together a chart and compare it with Bradley's Siderograph - he's showing a big top during the summer months and I'm curious to see how that's possible with the Dow and Nasdaq looking so dismal.

Thanks again for a new perspective!

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 03, 2000.

Hmmmmm...in reading through the commentary re: the construction of the siderograph it indicates that when there's a change in direction in the graph there's also a corresponding change in direction in the market and the siderograph isn't necessarily a visual representation of where the market will go...I see what you mean now by the "inversion". Now you've piqued my curiosity - gotta' find that data for the S&P....

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 03, 2000.

You're welcome LunaC. I'll try to help whenever i can, but don't ask me to do a reading on anyone. -g- I knew nothing about astrology until these past few days, and it's been fascinating. I'm glad i stumbled upon your post. The other day I went on a chat room and told everyone that I believe in financial astrology and got laughed out of the room. They all thought i was a lunatic. (pun intended)-g-

Anyhow, it's interesting you've talked about the dates May 11th and May 20th. I follow this market guru and here's what he has to say on April 29th FWIW:

"After looking at some mid-term cycles Im getting an important MID- TERM PIVOT POINT for the SPX and NAZ in about 9 trading days(MAY 11, +/- 3 days). For the DOW I have that PIVOT POINT in about 15 trading days(MAY 19, +/- 3 days). These PIVOT points could be either TOPs or BOTTOMs of the cycle. If they are TOPs, that would imply that the overall market is near the mid-term bottom and should be heading up soon, but such senerio is not fitting in with my SHORT-TERM TECHNICALs which are saying that the overall market is much closer to a short-term top than a short-term bottom. Therefore Im more inclined to say that those PIVOT POINTS are probably MID-TERM BOTTOMs. In light of such, I am suspecting that we should see a retest of the lows within 2-3 weeks. Whether the previous lows hold or not, its too early to tell."

He is very good with his market calls by the way.

Just curious, how long does it take for you to do a reading? Is it time consuming? Is the hardest part of the work the interpretation of the chart? Ok, that's enough from a rookie for now...

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 03, 2000.

Hi Philip -

I knew nothing about astrology until these past few days, and it's been fascinating.

Oh-oh...that's how it starts! Dip your toe in the pool and then before you know it, you're immersed!

I follow this market guru and here's what he has to say on April 29th FWIW..."Im more inclined to say that those PIVOT POINTS are probably MID-TERM BOTTOMs. In light of such, I am suspecting that we should see a retest of the lows within 2-3 weeks. Whether the previous lows hold or not, its too early to tell."

It's always interesting when different methodologies come to the same conclusion, although with what I'm seeing for the markets, I'm not too surprised.

Just curious, how long does it take for you to do a reading? Is it time consuming? Is the hardest part of the work the interpretation of the chart?

With the wonderful astrology programs that are out there today, zipping up a chart and its aspects is a breeze but dissecting it is what takes the time. And yes, it's a lengthy process. Sometimes certain aspects just jump out at me and the predictive possibilities are clear and obvious while other times I have to sit and ponder how it all meshes together. But it's a labor of love (oh, okay, so it's a passion!) so I really don't mind.

BTW - I managed to find the origination data for the S&P to compare with Bradley's siderograph. The S&P chart is fitting in with everything else I've been seeing as to where the markets are likely to go this month. When the Dow and Nasdaq are in meltdown, the S&P will have Neptune (uncertainty/confusion) in the 8th (joint finances/debts/money) square (difficulty) Jupiter (excess) in the 5th (speculation/investing) so it looks like a lot of people are going to be losing big-time within the next few weeks. And July 19, about the same time Bradley's showing a turning point for the S&P, Jupiter will be opposed Uranus (both financial planets that are often harbingers for business bottoms) so the two methodoligies are meshing and pointing to the same conclusion. Hold onto your hats...it's gonna' be a wild ride!

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 04, 2000.

Fran,

You don't have to know about individual stocks to make money. If you can reasonable time some of the market's ups and downs, you can use index futures and options to make yourself a bundle.

-- Stock Guy (stockguy@stocks.r.fun), May 04, 2000.

here is a url for some interesting articles, including one about the effects of pluto on the market.

http://216.33.236.250/cgi-bin/linkrd? _lang=&lah=1871a2f6b9bb6f8644a9776d8e3a1c06&lat=957458436&hm___action= http%3a%2f%2fwww%2estariq%2ecom%2fpagetemplate%2fT1%2easp%3fpageid% 3d689

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 04, 2000.

FS - Wow! That's got to be the longest link in history but, alas, I couldn't cut and paste to get it to work. BUT...I did a search for "pluto", "astrology" and the "market" and I stumbled across a truly interesting article...

Frank - You keep shouting "SHOW ME THE SCIENCE" in regards to astrology, so this one's for you.

A Fractal Approach

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 04, 2000.

Hi FutureShock, I couldn't access the link either. I took care of the three spaces in the link but couldn't get it to work.

Hi LunaC, thanks for taking the time to do a reading on the SPX. As always, some very interesting commentaries from you! I found this link to a site that uses financial astrology. It's a pay site, but there are some free commentaries on the markets. Maybe some of his thoughts are the same as yours? So if you like to check it out, feel free to do so.

http://www.astroecon.com/dailyhighlights.htm (no space this time -g-)

Guess what i'm doing this weekend? I'm going here for some "astro training."

http://www.astroecon.com/lesson/lesintro.html

This way i'll at least understand some of the astrological lingoes that you and FS use. (I think you'll be proud of me) -g-

While I'm at it, I'll check out that link you posted on the fractal approach. Sounds interesting. Have a good weekend!

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 06, 2000.

LunaC,

Believe it or not, I read the whole article, and it's not science. As an example, the article said,

But if things were purely random there would be no such thing as statistical regularities, no averages, and no correlations. If determinism didn't exist we couldn't average it. Yet we do; it's there.

The assumption of randomness is ESSENTIAL to probability. How could you say that reaching your hand into a bag of an equal number of red and green marbles would result in your pulling out an approximately equal number of each color if your pull WASN'T random? If all the red marbles wanted to come out, then you would have the situation the article's describing.

I'm sorry, but I really can't see any merit to "astrology" at all. Like I said on the other thread, I'll quit bugging you about it.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), May 06, 2000.

Hi Philip!

http://www.astroecon.com/dailyhighlights.htm

They had a good article on the Saturn/Uranus square. Thanks.

Guess what i'm doing this weekend? I'm going for some "astro training."

KEWL! You'll have to be sure to pass along any inside tips you come across.

This way i'll at least understand some of the astrological lingoes that you and FS use.

You'll find that once you understand the basic symbolism of the houses, signs, planets and aspects it's really easier than you imagined.

I think you'll be proud of me,

I already am! I admire people who follow their convictions and dreams and jump in with both feet. Good for you!

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 06, 2000.

Hey guys, here is the web site for the articles I could not link you to before:

www.stariq.com

I think it is fascinating that they do a daily transit report if you sign up for it.

Phillip-good luck with training.

LunaC:

Wish me Luck-Transiting Pluto is approaching a conjunction with my wife's natal moon-egads-I have already been reproached with how her father let the dog kill the cat when she was young, and how he told her she should not be so sensitive-and how I should never tell her she is too sensitive-LOL LOL. This is after I have tolerated Saturn in her 8th house for the last two and a half years. Oh well.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 07, 2000.

LunaC, FutureShock, hi!

Wow! what a busy week. I've been working on cycles for tradable/important bottoms/tops these last few weeks and spent much of my time on them this weekend. I finally got around to doing some backtesting and got some surpising results. Most of the dates were accurate to the day of a bottom/top, some were accurate within a day, and very few were accurate within two days. The last date I had was 4/4, the low was actually the day before, so it was off by one day. The dates i had before that (last few weeks) were accurate to the day. I haven't traded on this information yet as i wanted to be sure it works and build some confidence before diving in. I'm more comfortable with it now, so i'd like to share with you some of the dates. Also, some of these dates mesh with some of your comments and predictions.

dates for Nasdaq and I'll include some of your comments that i find relevant/important: I found that when the market ended on the lows of the day on one of these dates,it represented a top; and when the market ended on the highs of the day, it represented a bottom for that date. Since the Nasdaq ended on its highs on May 4th, I believe it was a short term bottom, and that the markets will go higher on monday. The next day I have for a possible cycle top is May 10th (wednesday). If, however, on May 9th the Nasdaq ends on the lows of the day after reaching some kind of a high, this could signal a short term top. which would mean the cycle date is off by one again. LunaC wrote regarding the DOW: "The Pluto opposition Pluto on MAY 11th looks pretty dastardly..." Regarding the Nasdaq: "May 13 - Saturn (loss) in the 2nd (money) squares (difficulty) transiting Uranus (shake-ups) in the 11th (Joe Public) while Jupiter (over-indulgence) in the 2nd (money) square natal sun in the 11th (the masses). Can you say Margin Call?"

Another date I have is June 13th: LunaC wrote: "After the dust settles, expect a brief rise in the market until June 15th when Mars triggers a square (difficulty) with Pluto (destruction)...But this slump is shortlived..." I remember you said this: "...the influence of Mars will be felt a day or two before and after the dates indicated." From this I gather June 13th could be a cycle top, assuming the influence of Mars will be felt two days before.

Other dates I won't know if these will be tops or bottoms. Perhaps, you do. -g- : Aug 7th, Nov 4th..... A different method gave me Aug 8th

I just started working on the Dow Jones and have these two dates thusfar: June 10th (this is a Saturday), on Monday the date is June 12th (very close to the June 13th date I had for the Nasdaq. another cycle date: Sept 7th

LunaC, i think we make a great team, but i'm still the pupil. -g-

"You'll have to be sure to pass along any inside tips you come across"

LunaC, the day i give you any tips on astrology is the day we'll see those 5 planets + sun and moon line up again. -g- Actually I manage to get through 3 lessons and have memorized the planetary symobls. Now i know what you two are talking about when you use words like "aspect", "house", etc.

FutureShock, that's a great site! I wish I had more time to go through it and and also finish those lessons I started. I'll save that and the lessons for the week. Is there anyway we can get Planet Earth to "retrograde" so i can get more time? (I'm trying to use more astrological lingoes. Can't blame a guy for trying! -gg-

I'll try and work more on the DOW sometime in the future. Thanks!

Philip

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 07, 2000.

Phillip:

That was actually pretty funny-what you said about making the earth go retrograde! There is so much information, and so little time. Oh well, good luck trading-I do not have the gumption to time the market.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 07, 2000.

FS - www.stariq.com

Nice site, thanks! I only browsed the financial astrology articles and hope to spend more time there over the next few days. It's interesting that they're using the U.S. chart for their analysis...even with this chart (rather than the charts for specific markets) they're seeing trouble ahead.

Wish me Luck-Transiting Pluto is approaching a conjunction with my wife's natal moon

You have my deepest sympathies! I'll keep my Guest Room ready for you in case you need it. ;-)

Philip - I finally got around to doing some backtesting and got some surpising results.

I'm glad you're doing backtesting. It gives you more continuity to see the past/current situation to better see the future. (And it sounds to me like you're "hooked". lol Welcome to the club!)

which would mean the cycle date is off by one again.

This is why we always work within a time frame of dates rather than THE date. It's rare that events happen exactly when you expect them but if you can nail it within a day or two, you're still in the ball park.

From this I gather June 13th could be a cycle top, assuming the influence of Mars will be felt two days before.

BUT...it could also be two days AFTER. You never know! In situations such as these it helps to see what the Inner Planets (moon, sun, venus, and mercury) are doing to see the most likely time of the expected event. Remember, the Outer Planets more or less set the stage for the Big Events and the Inner Planets will give you more of an idea as to the emotional reaction at any given time.

LunaC, i think we make a great team, but i'm still the pupil.

But Grasshopper, you are making strides in leaps and bounds and will soon surpass the Teacher. ;-)

See, you have the advantage because you came at this with a better understanding of "The Market" while I'm simply applying astrological principles to an entity I don't completely understand.

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 07, 2000.

Hi there LunaC,

Looks to me like 5/4 was a top, not a bottom. I mistakenly called it a bottom due to the rally into the close. Also looks like the bottom is due for May 10 today (+/- a day) instead of a top. I have a very important date coming, May 18 btw.

"BUT...it could also be two days AFTER. You never know! "

Yes you're right. I better be carefull otherwise i could buy the top! That wouldn't be fun. -g-

Just wanted to stop by and send a quick hello.

How are things?

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 10, 2000.

Hi Phillip:

Things in my life are getting curiouser and curiouser-

Need to look at my wife's cahrt as she has big things coming.

LunaC

I think the outbreak of the lovebug virus was a result of the neptune- saturn square, or the square that is approaching. Do you have that ephemeris handy?

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 11, 2000.

Philip - The specific timing can be tricky...always check the slower moving inner planets (moon, mercury, venus and sun) for clues as to whether the "action" will be before or after.

FS - With your wife's chart, I suggest you temporarily move out or purchase an invisibility suit.

I think the aspect you're referring to is Saturn/Uranus especially with Uranus ruling technology. That'll be exact on the 13th.

BTW - Watch for the Dow to absolutely tank today. Baaaaaad ju-ju coming down! Pluto square Pluto in the 5th (speculation) is EXACT with the Sun opposing Uranus and Mars conjunct the Sun. But definitely watch the events surrounding the 20th...I see all those bad-ass planets lining up and it gives me chills. It's gonna' be a wild ride, that's for sure!

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 11, 2000.

FS and Philip - I'm *stunned* by today's Dow closing. How could we have such heavy-duty aspects without a corresponding reaction? Any ideas?

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 11, 2000.

Hi gang,

"Things in my life are getting curiouser and curiouser-"

FutureShock, Now you've "piqued my interest" as LunaC would say. I think you've mentioned this before and I hope "good" things are ahead of you, not bad things. Are you saying this because of certain planetary alignments? Thanks.

LunaC, I had a cycle low on March 10th and that was confirmed by today's rally and I have a cycle top on May 13th (+/- 1 day). Interestingly, you have mentioned this date. Seems odd we came up with the same dates. Coincidence? I don't think so! lol

"How could we have such heavy-duty aspects without a corresponding reaction? Any ideas?"

I have no idea. I'm still on lesson 4 (g) and will likely finish the lessons by this weekend. Could it be possible the reaction is delayed? Your calls in the past have been very accurate, or at least as accurate as it gets, considering they were forecasted months in advance. I don't think it's possible for any human to get every call/reading work exactly according to plan. Just curious LunaC, in the past has heavy-duty aspects like this not tank the DOW? "But definitely watch the events surrounding the 20th..."

I agree with this date as the next date I consider very important is May 18. This could be a top and reversal day going into friday and ending at its lows. This could set for the big plunge on Monday on the 22. Using a certain methodology gave me the following dates:

March 11= (Saturday) THE TOP was March 10 March 24= this was the SECONDARY TOP April 14= TANK day then recovery May 18= ???

"But Grasshopper, you are making strides in leaps and bounds and will soon surpass the Teacher"

LOL, Lunac, you're being too kind.

Your humble Pupil -g- Talk to you soon!

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 11, 2000.

hmmmm, sorry about those dates. They look confusing. Here they are again:

March 11= (Saturday) The TOP was March 10 ; March 24= SECONDARY TOP; April 14= The day of the TANK then recovery; May 18= ???

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 12, 2000.

Philip - I had a cycle low on March 10th and that was confirmed by today's rally and I have a cycle top on May 13th (+/- 1 day).

I'm SO glad you're doing so well and able to pick out specific dates AND have them confirmed. That makes it so much more rewarding!

Interestingly, you have mentioned this date. Seems odd we came up with the same dates. Coincidence? I don't think so! lol

It's nice to have two systems of prediction occuring that validate one another. Kinda' gives us an "edge", wouldn't 'ya say? (wink)

Could it be possible the reaction is delayed?

Probably. Pluto's influence will be felt for the next week so maybe I was jumping the gun. (Still, I didn't expect today's market...I should have taken my own advice and checked out the Inner Planets before saying anything. Silly me!)

Your calls in the past have been very accurate, or at least as accurate as it gets, considering they were forecasted months in advance. I don't think it's possible for any human to get every call/reading work exactly according to plan.

Well, thanks, but when I'm putting it out there for the skeptics' observation - while they're demanding "consistency, dammit!" - I hate not being right on the money. Then again, even when I bring the accuracy to their attention, trying to demonstrate the validity of it all, they STILL don't want to see it and continue to act like imbeciles. I'm not going to bother with them any more. (Don't know why I even tried in the first place! Shoulda' known better...hahahaha)

Just curious LunaC, in the past has heavy-duty aspects like this not tank the DOW?

Don't know. January is the first time I had the Dow chart to apply astrology to the markets and see what effect the transits would have. I've been so blown away by the way it's been unfolding, I haven't backtracked. I plan on creating a chart for the Crash of '29 to see what planets were in effect then and compare it to what's going on now. I'll let you know if anything of interest materializes.

I agree with this date as the next date I consider very important is May 18. This could be a top and reversal day going into friday and ending at its lows. This could set for the big plunge on Monday on the 22.

With TWO separate systems pointing to the same outcome for the same dates...well, ch-ch-cha-changes are in the air! Since you now have a few of the basics of astrology under your belt, let me take you a small step farther in predictive techniques. You know about the natal chart and you know that the transiting planets create angular relationships to the natal planets. Well, theres another level of transits that are called "Progressions".

With Progressions, one day after the natal chart begins is equivalent to one year in the person's/entitity's life. So if you wanted to see what might occur in somebody's life at the age of 20, or 30, or 40, you would count that many days after the natal date and cast a chart. Let's say you wanted to do a Progressed chart for a child born on May 1st to see what might be occuring in 10 years...you'd use the May 11th date of that same year to see ten years into the future. (I hope I'm not making this too difficult.) You can go as far forward as you like to see what may be occuring at any given time in the future and, it's been said, you can even use the method to go backwards in time to see what was going on in a *past* life, but that's for another discussion ;-) Again, just like with transits, you're looking for angular relationships between the Progressed planets and the natal chart.

So...if you have a chart consisting of three concentric circles, the natal planets would be plotted in the center, the transits in the middle ring, and the progressions in the outer ring, to give you a more detailed overview as to the multitude of influences being expressed at any given time. Here's what a Progressed chart for May 20th will look like: (This is going to blow you away!)

Progressed Pluto 13 Gemini

Progressed Mars 12 Gemini

Transitting Mars 12 Gemini

Natal Pluto 12 Gemini

Transitting Pluto 11 Sag. (in opposition to all of the above!)

I've never seen anything like it! Ch-ch-cha-changes! I think this will be a good example of how transitting Mars will slowly move into place and set off the whole chain of events that have been patiently poised to explode, er,...unfold!

Remember, keep your hands and feet inside the ride at all times!

('Nite, Philip and FS - I enjoy bantering this stuff around. It's so much more fun when I can share it with somebody who actually understands it!)

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 12, 2000.

and didn't realize it carried over from one post to another. Hopefully I nipped it in the bud...

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 12, 2000.

LunaC, did you run out of ink? -ggg-

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 12, 2000.

Hi again!

"Well, theres another level of transits that are called "Progressions". "

That sounds very interesting.

"I hope I'm not making this too difficult."

I'll have to reread what you just wrote. lol I'll get back to you later/tonight.

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 12, 2000.

Phillip:

Re: curiouser and curiouser-yes, I am referring to transits-on the day that transiting saturn was exactly opposite my wife's natal saturn, she was told by her boss(she is an executive recruiter) that her base salary was being cut nearly in half. This was also when saturn was in the very last degrees of her eight house. Often when an outer planet is about to leave a house, a strong las statement is made.

We also say this about any planet in a natal chart that is within the last few degrees of a house. My wife has decided to open her own law practice, eventually specializing in international adoptions.

This is where it gets interesting. Chiron is in the fifth house of her natal chart. Chiron in mythology is known as the wounded healer- he inadvertantly gets injured by a poison arrow-the wound never heals, but as a result he becomes a great educator and healer. It is my belief, and the most popular belief, that where chiron resides in the chart is the field of experience where we experience a great deal of hurt-but also the area in the chart where we can be the redeemer- the healer.

The fifth house, in large part, involves creativity and children. My wife was an aspring actress at one time, but got screwed over big time by a "friend" and ended up getting very hurt and gave up on it- choosing to go to law school. She has also always wanted to have a child-but at the age of 35 discovered she had Pelvic Inflammatory Disease, effectively destroying any chance of natural conception.

Now it gets really REALLY interesting. Saturn is about to enter her ninth house-which in part governs international affairs. Her idea to open up her own law firm(9th house rules the higher courts) and specialize in international(9th) adoption(5th) seems a natural. Also, the eigth house rules inheritances, and just as saturn is leaving, her father offers her the money to open her own firm.

Fascinating, isn't it? Also, the day she find out about her salary transiting chiron was nearly conjunct her natal moon-the moon, among other things, ruling the feminine/motherhood issues. Wow.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 12, 2000.

FS - The situation with your wife is an exceptional example of how the planets and life events correlate and it demonstrates the benefits of "going with the flow" rather than swimming upstream. I'm delighted that she's "following her bliss" and I know that her endeavors will be a success both on a professional and deeply rewarding personal level. You must be very proud of her!

Philip - Apologies if I dumped too much on you.

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 12, 2000.

FutureShock, Thanks for that explanation. I think it's fascinating how you and LunaC are able to make predictions by analyzing these charts. I hope the new firm does well.

"Philip - Apologies if I dumped too much on you."

Not at all, LunaC. The first time i read your post, I just skimmed it. I reread it (this time for real) and I understood what you were talking about. I always enjoy reading your posts, so keep them coming!

"I'm not going to bother with them any more"

I think that's a great idea. I think a lot of energy can be wasted trying to convince someone of something he/she doesn't believe. Also, i don't know if he is interested in astrology. Just my opinion.

Guess what May 31st is? -g-

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 12, 2000.

Philip - Either your birthday or the day the world sees the greatest financial crash known to man. Hot or cold? ;-P

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 13, 2000.

LOL

LunaC, you are hot with the first one and cold with the second one. Well I shouldn't say you are cold with the second. The world's greatest financial crash could happen on my birthday. :)

I'll be 26 and I recall this:

"If you look back, sometime between the ages of 28 - 30 something happened to you to knock you off course and send you in an entirely new direction, dratically changing the status quo and your worldview in the process. Perhaps it was a marriage, the start of a new business, a move to a new city, a new job, an accident or illness...whatever it was, it was BIG"

I was thinking, maybe i'll win the lottery in a couple of years. If so you get 10%. -ggg-

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 13, 2000.

LunaC, the May 13 (+/- 1 day) cycle top look likes it arrived in a timely manner. May 13 is a today (a Saturday) so the reversal occured on from Friday's highs. So, the markets should be down on Monday. I mentioned May 18th as a critical day, and what's interesting about that date is that it is a full moon. Not only that but, the NYSE was born on May 17, 1792. Is there any correlation between the birth of an entity and and certain anniversary dates? Of course you'll say yes, you're an astrologer! :P And all this is occuring right around the May 20th date you forecasted months ago. Coincidence? I don't think so! -gg-

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 13, 2000.

LunaC:

Thanks for your comments.

Phillip:

Thanks for wishing us well. The qoute you gave from LunaC about ages 28-30 is about the first Saturn return. Not likely to bring lottery winnings! Look to Jupiter tramsits for that-maybe when transiting Jupiter is in you second house.

I have been thinking that the first book I will write about astorlogy will be a study of lottery winners. I think even Frank would buy that book!

-- FutureShock (gray@mattter.think), May 14, 2000.

Frank - Not only that but, the NYSE was born on May 17, 1792. Is there any correlation between the birth of an entity and and certain anniversary dates?

Well, it marks the sun concluding a one-year cycle but there's not too much significance beyond that. They do have what's called a Solar Return Chart cast for the exact moment the sun returns to its natal position and that chart can be used as a predictive tool for the year ahead. I don't use the Solar Return Chart because having toooo many charts clutters things up for me.

And all this is occuring right around the May 20th date you forecasted months ago. Coincidence? I don't think so! -gg-

Thankfully we don't have too long to wait to see how it turns out. (But I'm NOT getting a good feeling about it!)

FS - How do you think your wife's Pluto/Sun conjunction fits in with the rest of her chart?

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 14, 2000.

Frank - Not only that but, the NYSE was born on May 17, 1792. Is there any correlation between the birth of an entity and and certain anniversary dates?

Well, it marks the sun concluding a one-year cycle but there's not too much significance beyond that. They do have what's called a Solar Return Chart cast for the exact moment the sun returns to its natal position and that chart can be used as a predictive tool for the year ahead. I don't use the Solar Return Chart because having toooo many charts clutters things up for me.

And all this is occuring right around the May 20th date you forecasted months ago. Coincidence? I don't think so! -gg-

Thankfully we don't have too long to wait to see how it turns out. (But I'm NOT getting a good feeling about it!)

FS - How do you think your wife's Pluto/Moon conjunction fits in with the rest of her chart?

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 14, 2000.

Damn, where the hell are MY planets today - mercury's a little shaky. lol.

I meant to say Philip (certainly not Frank), I didn't meant to post twice but the second post should refer to FS's wife's Pluto/MOON conjunction, not a SUN conjunction.

Sorry.

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 14, 2000.

Re: May 17, 1792, Thanks for clearing that up for me.

FS and LunaC: Happy Mother's Day! (better late than never)

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 14, 2000.

Hi LunaC,

Here's the Bradley Siderograph again (updated). Interesting that he has a turning point on July 19th, the same date you got after you did a reading on the SPX.

Bradley Siderograph

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 16, 2000.

I'll try that again:

http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Exchange/9807/Charts/SP500/SID0051 4.gif (just in case link below doesn't work; watch the space)

maybe this will work?

Bradley

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 16, 2000.

The url address worked once I removed the space between the 1 and 4. -g-

The siderograph is really amazing! But I'm just curious - if the siderograph isn't an actual representation of the S&P's movement, how do you know if the market will move up or down when the siderograph registers a "turn" signal?

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 17, 2000.

Hi LunaC,

Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you but I've been taking a bit of time away from the internet last few days. I was losing touch with reality so decided to get away from the net. -g-

", how do you know if the market will move up or down when the siderograph registers a "turn" signal?"

That's a good question. The timing can get tricky and the dates are not always perfect. I think the dates are within +/- 3 days of a top/bottom. If the market is being bought up going into one of these dates, i would assume a market top would arrive on around that time, and vice versa; if the market is being sold into one of these dates, i would think a market bottom is around the corner. I try to use technical analysis to help time the market and use the Bradley Siderograph as a guide. It doesn't always work out the way I like, but i can use all the help I can get. That's where you come in LunaC. -g-

It looks like the May 18th market top arrived two days early on the 16th. But you know what? I should have paid attention to your call when you said this:

"May 18 - 19 Expect lots of volatility as Mars in the 2nd opposes natal Mars and transiting Pluto in the 8th. This may very well be a fiery crash and burn."

Great job!

I followed the instructions on how to do a hyperlink you posted but couldn't get it to work. I think the title was "Easy Hotlink Tutorial". I was thinking, is there a "Hotlink Tutorial for Dummies" around the corner? I might have to visit that one. LOL Talk to you soon.

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 21, 2000.

"BUT...with Mars obviously acting like a trigger for the Nasdaq chart, we can apply that same reasoning to the Dow chart. This being the case, MAY 20TH looks like the big plunge."

DOW currently down 254 points. Nice call LunaC!

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 22, 2000.

It looks like the May 18th market top arrived two days early on the 16th.

With a +/- 3 days spread, you were still within range. I doubt with ANY system you'll be able to nail it on THE day, time and time again.

DOW currently down 254 points. Nice call LunaC!

Shhhhh...don't say that too loudly - you may make Frank admit that there's something more to this than his pea-brain can comprehend.

But, alas, the Plunge Protection Team stepped up to the plate at the last minute to (ahem) "save the day" ...for the moment anyway! Still, between Friday and today's downward movement, there was a lot of Jumbo Juice taken off the table. And the week ain't even over yet! Stay tuned!

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), May 23, 2000.

LunaC,

Wherefore art thou?

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 23, 2000.

LunaC, I think I read in one of your posts where you said you don't trade the markets. If you do, though, you might want to read some of the things a guru i follow says about the market. They're very similar to your forecasts. He is the best! (right behind you of course *wink*). He posts on Silicon Investor and also at his own site. I don't want to spam the site here, so if you want it, email me. (unless you want me to post it here). It's not a pay site btw.

"And the week ain't even over yet! Stay tuned!"

I'm staying tuned. -g- I think we hit bottom for a short term bounce on wed/thur. BWDIK?

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 23, 2000.

Looks like the Uranus effect was just temporary. -g- DOW at low of day now: -120

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 25, 2000.

uh.. make that about -260, last update for now. lol

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 25, 2000.

Phillip-

Just wanted to say hello. I did not want you to feel alone on this thread. Are you checking out some of the other threads lately on reincarnation and such?

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 25, 2000.

Hi FutureShock!

Thanks, that's really nice of you. Too bad LunaC is ignoring me though. -g- (only kidding lol) I haven't checked out the "Reincarnation" thread, but i have explored the "Conversations with God" thread. I'm just lurking though.

You mentioned earlier you were going to write a book on astrology? When will this be completed, and can I get an autograph copy? -g- Reincarnation, that's an intersting topic. Maybe i'll check it out. Good night!

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), May 25, 2000.

This thread el morte?

Next cycle dates are 6/8 and 6/13. 6/8 could be a bottom and 6/13 a top. Good call on the rally LunaC. Hope all is well. Bye.

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), June 02, 2000.

Phillip-

I have the idea for the book. The research has not yet begun. I figure it will take two years. If you post a real e-mail addy I will let you know what is up periodically and would be more than happy to give you a free copy.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), June 02, 2000.

Philip - FS - Sorry to be out of the loop but it seems like I've been putting out fires with gasoline lately. lol

Philip - I hope you're able to make money off of these trends. The Nasdaq seems to be VERY predictable thus far.

FS - How do you intend to get your data for the lottery winners? I think that would be the tough part. I'd also guess there would be strong Jupiter/Venus configurations - OR - positive aspect between the 2nd, 5th, and 8th rulers. If you don't mind, I'd love to hear of your progress once you get started and maybe take a peak at the winner charts too.

I've got a Jupiter/Venus conjunction coming up this summer - I think I'll buy some lottery tickets and see if I can be FS's first winner to be scrutinized.

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), June 03, 2000.

Where, oh where is my LunaC? -gg-

Hi futureshock, my email is right below (lip411@yahoo.com). Thanks for reserving a copy for me of your new book due out in a couple years. I was joking about it, but that's nice of you though. :)

As for the markets, the 6/8 bottom was off by a day, and it looks like the 6/13 was a bottom too, not a top. I went long today -gulp- . I hope i don't get eaten alive tomorrow. Take care!

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), June 13, 2000.

Philip - Sorry to be out of the loop for awhile. Here's an article I thought you might find interesting:

Stock Market Outlook"

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), June 17, 2000.

Thanks LunaC, hope you're doing ok.

-- Philip (lip411@yahoo.com), June 18, 2000.