As a former atheist, become Christian, I am amazed at the amount of time devoted to the use of instruments in worship. It is a non-essential item over which I have been called non-Christian numerous times! So many non-instrument churches have dozens of tests of faith; it has become another religion! When I see all of the millions of non-Christians going to hell daily; and I was one, Why not turn your hearts, mind, soul and energy to winning these to Christ, rather than digging this dead corpse up yet again? Is this "discussion" really pleasing to God, or expanding His kingdom? Ian.

-- Anonymous, February 29, 2000

Answers

Sam and Nate.....

I don't concur. I have yet to see how their decision not to use musical instruments affects their soteriology....which as far as I'm concerned is the only important issue.

If they want to tell me I'm going to hell....I can deal with that... (even thought the number willing to say that keeps getting smaller and smaller).

I have a good friend who left the ministry and is now attending a "non" church. He felt before he placed membership there, he should talk to the elders. To the man, not a one elder felt that it was an issue. They said, and I quote, "We simply choose to be "non" because we feel there is a place for that type of ministry." End of discussion....he is now a member in good standing with them.

Now some in the "non" would probably call them liberals. So be it.

In fact, from a missiological perspective....I would not even start a new work where the "nons" were already working. What's the use??

It is a simple historical fact that no one has yet to address. Why the change?? Previous to the civil war both groups worshipped freely together. Evidently, they did not see it as much of an issue either.

Now while I think Brother Ian might have been a little rough....I concur with his statement...."What does such a discussion do to futher the kindgom?"

Respectfully,

-- Anonymous, February 29, 2000

Yeah but Nate....even this forum has demonstrated that we all have different definitions of what constitutes a sin. Need I bring up the "abstaining" thread.

-- Anonymous, February 29, 2000

Brother Lee.....

Tell you what, if you are ever going to be in the Kent, Indiana area.....and want to worship in my congregation......I'll make sure we don't use the instrument that morning. Promise!!!

In Christ,

-- Anonymous, February 29, 2000

Hey Lee.....

Promise you will call first!! (ha)

BTW....my wife said you are welcome to join us for dinner too.

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

Scott.....

In fact, Whiz will be here in May. He invited himself.

And in fact......friends such as you and Mark do not need "an invitation".....you are welcome anytime.

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

Connie,

I don't think I'm wrong about this, but it was you who came into this forum and......

1) Questioned our orthodoxy 2) Questioned our adherance to the Gospel 3) Questioned our love for God 4) Questioned our understanding of grace 5) Accused us of being a cult

Then it degenerated into personal attacks......

1) You accused Lee and myself of not bearing the "fruits" of the Spirit according to "your" interpretation. (BTW, there is only one "fruit" of the Spirit. The other things simply describe how love manifests itself.)

2) You tried to undermine me by making some comment about my mother. 3) You questioned the work ethic of all preachers by questioning if they even had time to be on the net.

So Connie, based upon the actual evidence, who is the one who lacks the fruit of the Spirit??

As per your comments about no one answering your questions....please don't have me to ask Lee to cut and paste. Lengthy exegesis of Scripture has been given to you.

But you simply respond by claiming the "Spirit teaches you something different."

How can anyone have an intelligent conversation with you if you are going to claim superior knowledge based upon your subjective experience as opposed to the objective word of God??

Just so you know, historically the Restoration Movement has rejected the Calvinistic doctrine of illumination that you claim. We believe that it is through study and diligent work that one comes to know the truth.....not "praying for the Holy Spirit to reveal it."

Paul told Timothy to "Study to show Himself approved." He did not tell him to "pray about it."

Connie, at the least my reaction to you is the same that it would be to anyone whom barged into the doors of the church where I preach and started rambling false doctrine as I feel you have. They would be quickly confronted and very straightforwardly confronted.

The "love" you saw demonstrated on this thread was done because as far as issues of salvation we all fully agree on the stuff that matters.

You choose to not see baptism as essential, therefore, you can write it off.

We cannot do so. Scripture will not allow us.

Again Connie, you are the one who entered this forum with an attitude that brought out the defensiveness in all of us.

-- Anonymous, March 09, 2000

Uupps!!!

-- Anonymous, March 13, 2000

Brother Ian,

I agree, why bring the issue up?

It is great, however, to hear your testimony!

-- Anonymous, February 29, 2000

Guys, One reason to bring it up is that it addresses a much deeper issue that MUST be grappled with. It has to do with the manner of interpretation of Scripture. What is REQUIRED of the Christian, and what is LEFT AT LIBERTY for the Christian, as far as living out the call to Christian living.

It is an argument less about music, and more about deciding how to live as a Christian in accordance with the Scriptures.

THAT's why it's an important discussion.

-- Anonymous, February 29, 2000

Sam, I concur. Thank you.

-- Anonymous, February 29, 2000

Brother Blacker:

You have said:

"So many non-instrument churches have dozens of tests of faith; it has become another religion! When I see all of the millions of non-Christians going to hell daily; and I was one, Why not turn your hearts, mind, soul and energy to winning these to Christ, rather than digging this dead corpse up yet again? Is this "discussion" really pleasing to God, or expanding His kingdom? Ian."

I am extremely happy to hear that you were once and Atheist and have since become a Christian. I also agree with you that we should not let anything stand in the way of preaching the blessed gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world. Our heart and minds and souls should be dedicated to this high and holy task that we have been commanded to do.

However, it does make me wonder, since you think that we should not be "digging up" what you call a "dead corpse", why do you come in just as we were putting the "corpse" to rest and drag it back out of the grave before we could cover it up? If you read the entire thread to which you must be referring surely you can tell that we all reached an agreement that appears at least to agree with your view that we have these important things to unite in doing.

Then you grab the corpse pull it out and begin to stick our noses close so that we can smell the stench. You do this by claiming that "many non-instrument churches have dozens of test of faith; it has become another religion". Now with this statement no one can possibly know exactly what you are talking about. Do you think that those who use the instruments of music can claim that they have any less number of "test of faith" than those who do not use instruments in there worship? Is this not a very arrogant thing to say without offering the slightest evidence that such is true? You do not accuse the non-instrument brethren of merely making this one issue a test of faith but you accuse them all of making "dozens" of test of faith. You do not even take the time to specify any issue other than the instrument. Now I know that there are dozes of issues among us concerning which we differ. But I know of none that has been allowed to prevent anyone from worshipping and working together in the kingdom of God for the salvation of the souls of men. If for example, some of our women believe that they should wear a covering on their head in the worship. They simply wear the covering and no one bothers them about it neither does anyone attempt to impose similar behavior from the women who do not choose to follow such practice. If a brother believes that Bible schools on Sunday are not scriptural, we do not force him to participate in that practice. I for one am of the opinion that if we had a brother who could not in good conscience worship with the use of individual cups on the Lord's table I would agree to use one cup before I would offend his conscience. Now he and I may discuss the matter often at home but I would not allow anything that was nothing more than a mere nonessential, matter of expediency, or matter of opinion and human judgement cause a necessary division in the body of Christ. But choosing a mere "nonessential" over unity in an effort to do nothing more than assert my liberty at the expense of causing a division in the body of Christ would be sinful without doubt.

I do not worship with instruments of music and we have Christ as our only creed and therefore do not have any list of "test of Faith". We do not refuse to accept as a brother in Christ anyone who believes, as you do, that it is ok to use instruments of music. We do believe that the practice is sinful but we do not reject a person from our fellowship because he believes otherwise. WE do not, however, allow him to force his "non-essential" item into the corporate worship of the church and thereby violate the consciences of those who cannot, in good conscience, participate in any practice that they believe is sinful. You are free to hold your opinion on the subject but we do not allow this opinion to disturb the peace and harmony of the church and rend it to pieces by forcing all to either accept it in the worship or "go somewhere else". Such is without doubt the teaching of Romans 14. We must "let each man be fully assured in his own mind". But if I am not "fully assured that I can use instruments of music in the worship are you practicing love if you force me to either worship with it or leave?

I do not know if we have made the right decision to stop all discussion of this matter. However,if you truly believe that this is a non-essential and that preaching the gospel is eminently more important then why do you insist on practicing that which is offensive to the consciences of many good and honest men who sincerely believe that they cannot worship with such? Why do you do this even though you know that our unity is so vital and essential? Especially when such unity is easily reached simply by removing that which you already agree is not only a "non-essential" but is also far LESS important than our preaching the gospel of Christ to a "lost" and dying world? You insist on the use of instruments in the worship even though you know that its removal would allow us to truly "BURY" this CORSPE once and for all and forever.

Now I want to remind you brother that it was not any of my brethren that insisted upon the discussion of this subject in this forum. It was not those of us whom you falsely accused of having "dozens of test of faith" that "dug" up this corpse. It was your brethren who believe this matter is "non-essential" and a matter of "liberty" and who like you, appear to be accepting the delusion that they do not make this matter a "test of faith". Now, I do not say these things to keep this matter alive. I say them rather to urge all of us to put it to rest by treating this "non-essential" as having far less importance than being one in Christ and united on matters wherein we have a clear "thus saith the Lord". If you truly did not treat the use of instruments as a "test of fellowship" you would not allow it to be used in the worship and you would not feel such an urgent need to keep bringing it up in this forum and then pretending, after bringing it up that it is not important to discuss. Now, if you really deem this "non-essential" so unimportant why do YOU keep bring it up? For you know that it makes it impossible for the faithful who want to fellowship with you in the "defense of the gospel" and in the worship of God to fellowship or "jointly participate with you" in worship that requires them to violate their consciences.

You are saying to us, "Either you accept this innovation in the worship of God or Go away and start a CONGREGATION OF YOUR OWN AND WORSHIP WITHOUT IT. But do not bother us for we are going to do this non-essential thing regardless of what impact it is going to have on the consciences of those who cannot worship with it, the unity of the church, or the impact of our efforts to reach the lost world. And even knowing that this "non-essential" is going to make a complete mockery of our plea to restore the New Testament Church in its simplicity, purity, and perfect harmony, you insist upon using it."

The sectarian world, and their father the devil, must surely be laughing at our complete foolishness and total inability to see that this one thing has done what they were never able to do with all of their outrageous attacks against us! The fact that they did not have to do it themselves must give them and even greater sense of satisfaction.

In this very forum, I do believe that I have demonstrated that it is my desire to have fellowship with my brethren who are using instrumental music in the worship as much as is possible. I can fellowship, and have been fellowshipping with many who are "contending for the faith once delivered". I will list a few that I have been able to join hands with against false doctrine such as Brother Danny Gabbard, Brother Scott Sheridan, Brother Deuane schwingle, Brother John Wilson, Brother Nate Graham, Brother Mark Wisniewski, Brother Kelley, Brother Jim Spinnati, and others. I have agreed with these most often and on occasion disagreed but not once have I taken any of their views and made it a test of fellowship in any way whatsoever. Now if I were to visit their city and wish to worship on the Lord's day I would not be able to do so. Because they most likely will be using an "non-essential" instrument of music which I believe until I have evidence to the contrary, that it would be sinful for me to participate in doing. Now who is making this a test of faith? Am I not being told that I can fellowship with all of you in everything except worship unless I agree to violate my conscience? Can you not see that I have the choice, either violate my conscience or find some other place to worship God?

I only say these things because it is getting monotonous to constantly hear the mantra that we, who do not use instruments in the worship, are making it a "test of fellowship". I only ask you kind and good brethren to sincerely look beyond this corpse and ask if there is not at least some possibility that I could be right in thinking that you are about as guilty, of making this matter just as much a test of fellowship? I ask that you please also consider that it may be possible that you do not really believe that it is a "non-essential" since you appear to be completely unwilling to sacrifice this non-essential. You are as unwilling to forgo this non-essential as are we to use it. All this even though it prevents us from joining hands in sufficient unity to worship together, and preach the gospel together, and baptize people into Christ in each other's baptisteries. And enjoy regular monthly singings together and support one another's gospel meetings, and maybe, in some cities sell our buildings and combine our mutual resources to further the cause of Christ. It also prevents us from an excellent way of demonstrating to the sectarian world that unity on the word of God is possible when we give up the opinions of men and sweep away any and all unscriptural "non-essentials" that divide us.

Now all of the above applies if the only real issue between us is nothing more than a mere non-essential. But you know as well as I that there is indeed much more to this issue. As Brother Danny and I have often both said that we must settle the matter of what he calls "hermeneutics". But if this is true; then, would it not be completely unreasonable to accuse those of us who do not use the instruments of being nothing more than mindless bigots who are merely insisting on having our own way? Is it fair to accuse us of being so bigoted that, instead of fighting over an important principle of hermeneutics, we are simply fighting over mere "non-essentials" as if they were the very faith of Christ?

I pray that we can be one in Christ by holding to the faith that is found in his word and keeping our human opinions as our own personal property and allowing none of them to be forced upon the body of Christ. And that we will castaway all "non-essentials" that fosters division and strife among the saints whose robes have been washed white in the blood of the Lamb.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, February 29, 2000

Lee,

While I disagree with some of your theology, I DO agree with your purpose. Well said and a good read. Thank YOU as well.

Danny,

"I don't concur. I have yet to see how their decision not to use musical instruments affects their soteriology....which as far as I'm concerned is the only important issue."

Is that a Nineteen Fifty-Seven Soteriology? ...or a '58? I prefer mine with fins and deep blue.

"If they want to tell me I'm going to hell....I can deal with that... (even thought the number willing to say that keeps getting smaller and smaller)."

Sure I can deal with that, but sin is sin? hmmmm Doesn't that affect my ministry if someone calls me a drunkard, or swearer or some other type of sinner?

However, let's just let this thing rest for now, shall we?

In Him,

-- Anonymous, February 29, 2000

Danny,

I concur... 'nuff said! :-D

-- Anonymous, February 29, 2000

Danny: I don't concur. I have yet to see how their decision not to use musical instruments affects their soteriology....which as far as I'm concerned is the only important issue.

So only discussions about soteriology are worthwhile? I know you don't think that.

I will agree that if all the argument results in is "yes you can""No you can't""But this verse says this""But this verse says this", then it will be a fruitless discussion.

But if it reaches into the areas I mentioned, and others -- the interpretation of Scripture, the carrying over of OT form into NT truth and practice, the silence of Scripture and what to do with it, etc. -- then it can be a beneficial and quite proper study.

-- Anonymous, February 29, 2000

Brother Danny:

I appreciate your following words:

"Brother Lee.....

Tell you what, if you are ever going to be in the Kent, Indiana area.....and want to worship in my congregation......I'll make sure we don't use the instrument that morning. Promise!!!"

Now that, brother, is a demonstration of the very kind of Christian love that I find in the pages of the word of God. Imagine if we could do such a thing all over the brotherhood for just one day what Good might result. You are the first of my brethren in the Christian Church that has ever made such an offer to me. I am humbled. This demonstrates even more what I have seen in you since I have been writing in this forum. A man that truly cares more for the cause of Christ, his brothers in Christ, and the salvation of those out of Christ through the blessed gospel of Christ and unity in Christ than for anything that is a matter of opinion. A great example you are indeed brother Danny.

DO not be suprized. My wife and I just might make a special trip to Kent, Indiana just to enjoy worshipping God with you and the Brethren there.

I pray that God will boutifully bless you Brother.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

Brother Danny:

Thank you very much for your invitation. I promise I will call before coming if you will send me an e-mail with your phone number! Ha!

Please say thanks to your wife, Jenny, for the invitation to dinner. I know that my wife and I would enjoy that very much. If she cooks as well as she reasons in this forum I am certian that we would be in for a real treat!

May our Lord bless you both always.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

Hey Lee,

I hope you like deer and wild pig - fresh.

Lee, I've known Danny 18 years (can you believe it's that long Danny) and he hasn't invited me and my family over since he moved up north. You should feel priveleged.

Hey Wizard, has he invited you yet?

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

Will you have instrumental music during dinner?

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

(just a little jest) <grin>

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

John:

(How is that for an attempt of a "southern gentleman" at the southern California informality?)

I guess we have to have the instrument somewhere! Ha! But I will just listen and enjoy the excellent entertainment for my own pleasure.

Which is very different than worshipping in spirit and truth our Great God and offer myself to him as a living sacrifice. I would do this in much the same way that I can enjoy a meal at brother Danny's home that I would not bring into the worship and place on the Lord's table in addition to the Bread and fruit of the vine and force all my brethren to eat of it for our own pleasure with little or no regard for their conscience.

I know that you are just kidding! Ha! Hope you do not mind my using your lighthearted jest as an object lesson! Ha!

I do appreciate your humor and I agree with something you said in another thread that we make a good team in "contending for the faith against false teachers" like Mark (the Anglo-Israelist false teacher) and Nelta, the professional playwright of neo orthodox lies and determined impetitent servant of Satan.

Your ability to quickly discern the direction of the threat against the truth is incredible and very helpful, except when you veer off course yourself! Ha! Just a small "jest" of my own. I am sure that I veer of couse myself but I feel good knowing that men of knowledge and discernment are around to tell me to "mind your helm!". I do sincerely appreciate your efforts and enjoy our fellowship with one another in the "defense of truth".

My our Lord abundantly bless you.

Your brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

Brother Scott:

You said:

"I hope you like deer and wild pig - fresh."

I have no doubt that Sister Jenny can transform a "wild Boar" into a real delight. Just look at what she has done with Brother Danny! Ha!

I had better quit while I am ahead! I may be forfieting the best meal I have ever had in my life! Ha! Forgive me Brother Danny! Ha!

Your Brother in Christ,

Lee

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

I dunno, but that may be the best shot taken in any of these forums! Nice shottin', Lee!

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

*With fresh Mountain Dew dripping off my monitor*

Haw, Haw, Haw Lee!

I agree with Sam again! Nice shootin'!

I'll be chucklin' over that one for a while!

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

Hey Scott,

Just remember what the penalty is for inviting yourself to dinner at Danny's Place --- I'll have to provide the Live, instrumental music for the meal. Gotta have something to soothe that savage boar-beast (I'll leave alone the comment as to just who or what is the beast ;-)

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

Wizard,

If you are claiming Danny to be the beast, I would have to think about that one. But I think that's another thread [:o)

-- Anonymous, March 01, 2000

Hey, but that would really help with my Sunday School class on Revelation. Danny the Beast. Gotta go find some scripture to support it now.

-- Anonymous, March 02, 2000

Hey Guys, I'm fresh out of wild boar, gator tail ok??? And don't waste the road kill on your way up, scoop it up and bring it with you. Mark don't worry about the music. I find that Barogue music goes quite well with both wild game and road kill, Vivaldi, Marcello, Pachebel or perhaps Bach? Oh well, you can choose when you get here.

-- Anonymous, March 02, 2000

Oooooohhhhhhhhh Gator Tail !!!!!

I believe for proper digestion of Gator tail, either Sammy Kershaw or Pete Fountain are required for background music; with a few Justin Wilson jokes thrown in for good measure. :~)

Thanks for the hospitality, Miss Jenny !

-- Anonymous, March 02, 2000

Nate:

You said:

" *With fresh Mountain Dew dripping off my monitor* "

Now that was hilarious!! Ha! As I have said often before, You ARE Talented! Ha!

I notice however that we appear to have a deafening silence from the "Wild Boar"! Ha! I fear that he may not show up for dinner. With Sister Jenny's choice of music, which I like very much, I am certian that we must make amends with the "Wild Boar" lest we forfiet the great feast! Ha! Maybe we we had better agree to let him chose the music!

Your Brother in Christ,

Lee

-- Anonymous, March 02, 2000

Brethren:

Brother Demastus has written me an e-mail and has politely corrected me in my initial response to this thread. After reading his mountain of evidence, of which I was also very much aware to be the truth, and after reading my post again to determine if I had in fact left the immpression that we who do not use instruments in worship do not have any "test of fellowship" and seeing that I surely did leave such an impression it is my desire to say that he is right and I must correct my words.

Brother Ian and Brother Demastus are correct in saying that we have made test of fellowship, especially in the late fifties and through the seventies, on numerous issues that we should never have made a test of fellowship. Things such as support of orphan homes, Bible school class rooms, eating in the Church building, whether to have one cup or use individiual cups, ect. I was thinking in my mind as I was writting about how it should be and how it is where I worship and therefore failed to write in terms of the reality of what has happened in the recent 50 years or so of our history.

I also was trying to point out that on the instrument issue those of us who do not use it in our worship do not have a monopoly upon making it a "test of fellowship". I intended to show, and I think that I was successful in doing so, that our brethern in the Christian church have also made this matter a test of fellowship.

It is my desire and prayer that we can BOTH stop making it a test of fellowship though those of us who do not use instruments cannot do so as a "matter of conscience" does not mean that we must make it a test of fellowship so that we cannot work with our brethren to convert others to Christ our Lord. It only means that we cannot join with them in practicing something that requires us to violate our conscience. " For what is not of faith is sin". We cannot do anything that violates our conscience.

Please accept my correction, for I did not intend to ignore the abundant clear evidence that we have had a strong period of extremism on both sides of the instrument issue and as brother Loveall has pointed our this matter of "hermenutics" must be settled or will will both continue to suffer these extremes. I believe that you will agree that while we have suffered extremism in the direction of being against everything and for very little our brethren in the Christian Church have suffer extremeism in the direction of severe liberalism that is accepting of everything and against very little. I believe that even as we speak there is yet another division brewing among those in the Christian Church who are fighting to hold to the "faith once delivered" and those trying to follow in the path of the "disciples".

I hope that I have made myself clear. I am advocating that we not follow either of these extremes but stay with the truth.

Brother Demastus, I appreciate your correction. Brother Ian, I do not doubt for one moment that there are brethren among us that would call you a non- christian because you use the instrument in the worship. I have not and would not do so. For any sins that I may commit would not make me a non-christian just one that needs correction. Therefore my belief that you sin when you use the instrument does not require that I deduce from it that you are not a Christian. I regret that it is true that some of my brethren would say those things to you but I do very much see you as a Christian because of your obedience to the gospel of Christ and your use of instruments, though I believe to be sinful, does not change my view that you are a Christian.

I hope that you can accept my correction of this matter. For I surely did leave the wrong impression.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, March 03, 2000

May I come In?

I know I don't belong here, but perhaps you all will let me point out something I notice here. Also, I know I have a responsibilty on another thread, but I am going to get an IGENT and a TSVGE and make a study of it, so it may take months to address.

There is a oneness of Spirit here, even though you may disagree on issues which have nothing to do with salvation.

Is not the whole body of believers due that kind of acceptance?

Matthew 5: 43- 48:

You have heard that it has been said: "You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.

But I say to you: Love your enemies , bless (pray for) them that curse (persecute) you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

That you may be the children of your Father which is in Heaven; for He makes the sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.

For if you love them which love you, what reward have you? do not even the publicans the same?

And if you salute your brethren only, what do you more than others?

Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect.

II Timothy 3: 15 % 16

And that from a child (babe) you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is also profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Timothy was not an Apostle, but he was able to do this, with only the enlightenment he received from the Holy Spirit. Of course, knowing Paul personally didn't hurt.

On another thread, I noted that the Apostles were mere men. I know they were given tremendous gifts and minitries by God and had a special office. They, also however, considered themselves servants. Humility was one of their many attributes.

Paul said he was the greatest of sinners, and Peter told someone who was going to give him special obeisance: "Get up; I myself also am a man".

Please forgive me for saying your group is apostate. I don't know that for sure yet, so I don't want to bear false witness.

The verse escapes me at the moment, but there is one which advises: Live at peace with all people, insofar as it depends on you.

-- Anonymous, March 09, 2000

I din't say 'apostate'; I said 'heretical'.

-- Anonymous, March 09, 2000

Was just wondering what the "IGENT" and "TSVGE" were. Pardon my ignorance.

-- Anonymous, March 09, 2000

So the cat is out of the bag. Danny is in Kent, Indiana!

He told me a while back, but I have been keeping it a secret...

This whole Forum actually started as I, the mighty hunter, was trying to track Danny down. I left my bait at the FCC alumni forum, posting threads I just KNEW he would bite at. And he did.

Then I started an entire Forum, knowing it would not be long before he was in my trap. That wascally wabbit was sneaky at first. Stealing my bait without a clue. But finally, I bagged him!

-- Anonymous, March 12, 2000