Mark,

Please forgive me, but I just don't get it! It may be because I am a little thick headed...this definitely seems to be the case when it comes to my comprehending many of your posts.

Could you please explain to me in simple English just what it is you are trying to get across. For me anyway, your point is lost in short seemingly veiled remarks...backed up by scripture that do not seem to connect to your point. I AM NOT SAYING...you are TRYING to veil or hide anything...just saying I can not figure out what it is you are trying to say.

Thanks,

-- Anonymous, February 11, 2000

Answers

John,

Just a tecnicality....but the N.T. was not ALL written by Jews.

In fact, the majority of the New Testament, percentage speaking, was written by Luke, a Gentile.

Good question for "Trivial Pursuit" sometime, huh??

Respectfully,

-- Anonymous, February 22, 2000

John,

Do you really see a necessity in Luke becoming Jewish....before he became a Christian??

I'm pretty sure you don't mean that....as that was the heresy of the Judaisers which the book of Galatians attacks.

We have no evidence (scripturally or historically)....that Luke was anything other than Gentile.

-- Anonymous, February 22, 2000

Absolutely!!

-- Anonymous, February 23, 2000

LEVITE....is not a nationality. LEVITE was one of the tribes of Israel, therefore, making Moses......Jewish.

Didn't need to go to Seminary for that one.

-- Anonymous, February 25, 2000

I thought I was the only one who didn't seem to understand what you are trying to communicate Mark. I am just beginning to search for answers and am truly interested in everyone's views. However, I am thoroughly confused by your posts. I, too, would appreciate your simply stating whatever it is you're trying to get across.

Sincerely, Cynthia

-- Anonymous, February 11, 2000

Mark, I have seen some excellent posts of yours over the months at TimeBomb2000, and there they could be understood. But I am relieved to know that two others here on this forum express the same confusion I am experiencing in trying to understand what you are saying.

Particularly confusing is your use of "Jew, Judaeo-Christian, Babylon." Can you clarify? Thank you.

-- Anonymous, February 11, 2000

Repairing anything in the home seems very simple to me. What may take some a day to accomplish I can do in minutes or hours. When somethingis clear in your mind it seems simple to state it and assume that people will get it. Sorry!

Particularly confusing is your use of "Jew, Judaeo-Christian, Babylon." Can you clarify? Thank you.

In seperating the Ten Tribes of Israel from Judah God made this statement...(2 Chr 11:4 KJV) "Thus saith the LORD, Ye shall not go up, nor fight against your brethren: return every man to his house: for this thing is done of me. And they obeyed the words of the LORD, and returned from going against Jeroboam."

Read it carefully in context.

(1 Ki 11:31 KJV) "And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:"

(1 Ki 11:32 KJV) "(But he shall have one tribe [Benjamin] for my servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:)"

There you have the seperation of Israel from Judah.

If you are interested in understanding Prophecy re: Judah and Israel you must seperate the two. If you cross them with each other your outcome will be wrong.

Judaeo/Christian

If you mix Judaism with Christianity then you come up with a mixture which is wrong. Judaism is an anti christian religion. We did not receive Christianity from the Jews. Maybe it would take a book to explain. Jesus said there are fake Jews out there and I have found Him to be correct in all he says. (Rev 2:9 KJV) "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Babylon

(Dan 3:2 KJV) "Then Nebuchadnezzar the king sent to gather together the princes, the governors, and the captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up."

(Dan 3:3 KJV) "Then the princes, the governors, and captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, were gathered together unto the dedication of the image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up."

Daniel recorded the establishment of the Babylonian System we are under at this moment. Revelations describes its downfall (Rev 14:8 KJV) "And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."

I have to go to work now so will get back as soon as possible.

Sorry if I confuse people. It did take me a long time to figure these things out so I guess patience is called for. I just think that it is easy now that I understand what I am talking about.

Take care

-- Anonymous, February 15, 2000

"We did not receive Christianity from the Jews." Oh? Then explain what this means: "You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." That's Jesus' own words (John 4:22).

-- Anonymous, February 15, 2000

Incidentally, notice in the above passage that Jesus Himself includes Himself in the group "Jews." JESUS WAS A JEW, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION! (As if that isn't plain enough without Him having to come right out and say it.)

-- Anonymous, February 15, 2000

John Wilson,

Part of the Key of David is the fact that Jesus is The son of David. David was of the House of Judah so Jesus was of the House of David out of the House of Judah. I know that.

(Isa 22:22 KJV) "And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open."

(Rev 3:7 KJV) "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;"

What I am saying is that Judaism the Religion and the assorted peoples who comprise Judaism has nothing to do with true worship, truth or anything which a Christian could or should call part of their Christian Heritage.

Jesus said...(Mark 7:7 KJV) "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

(Mark 7:8 KJV) "For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do."

(Mark 7:9 KJV) "And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."

Jesus had nothing good to say about Judaism.

John the Baptist said...(Mat 3:7 KJV) "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"

It was Benjamin who was to be the light...(1 Ki 11:36 KJV) "And unto his son will I give one tribe,[Benjamin] that David my servant may have a LIGHT alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there."

(Mat 5:14 KJV) "Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid."

(Mat 5:15 KJV) "Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house."

(Mat 5:16 KJV) "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

According to the Bible Benjamin was the Light, not the Jews. However Benjamin was part of the Southern Kingdom of Judah and were therefore called Jews or Judaean. 2453. Ioudaios, ee-oo-dah'-yos; from G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew (-ess), of Judaea. Notice that Jesus stopped preaching in Jewry...(John 7:1 KJV) "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him."

(1 Th 2:14 KJV) "For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:"

(1 Th 2:15 KJV) "Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:"

This is the Word of God! These are not my thoughts on Judaism.

Judaism has a lot to do with Babylon the Great and this is the command to Christians concerning the lies put out re: our Christian Heritage etc...(Rev 18:4 KJV) "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

(Rev 18:5 KJV) "For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities."

Be like a Berean...(Acts 17:10 KJV) "And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews."

(Acts 17:11 KJV) "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

(Acts 17:12 KJV) "Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few."

(Acts 17:13 KJV) "But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people."

Notice the nobles and the ignobles?

-- Anonymous, February 16, 2000

If anyone is interested in Reading about the Chief Ruler and the Birthright of Joseph, email me and I will send you some info re: an interesting Book. It explains in more detail what I am discussing. Don't want to post it here. I think it might fall into the advertising catagory. However I have no connection with this source other than I purchase some books from them. They are not computerized.

(1 Chr 5:2 KJV) "For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)"

-- Anonymous, February 16, 2000

D. Lee, Cynthia, and Elaine;

For your information, since Mark's increasingly cryptic postings are causing a lot of questions and confusion in the forum:

From what Mark has posted in other threads, he apparently subscribes to the viewpoint that the British (and therefore, White Americans) are descendents of the lost ten tribes of Israel, and that the people currently in Israel calling themselves "Jews" are not God's people but rather Satan's, that Jesus wasn't a Jew but rather a white-skinned Anglo, etc. This heretical and racist doctrine, known as British- or Anglo-Israelism, was espoused by the late Herbert W. Armstrong, the founder of the Worldwide Church of God. (The Radio Church of God cult, founded by his son, Garner Ted Armstrong, also holds to this belief. To their credit, the WCoG has recently renounced this and other cultic doctrines and embraced Biblical orthodoxy; however the RCoG has not.) Mark has been thoroughly refuted in other threads in this forum, yet he continues to preach this stuff to us and confuse people. *sigh*

For more information, you can write to the Christian Research Institute for a thorough refutation of this doctrine. They also publish a statement by the Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God, Joseph W. Tkach, Jr., on their website, which briefly mentions the practice.

In His Service,

-- Anonymous, February 17, 2000

John Wilson,

(Heb 5:11 KJV) "Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing."

(Heb 5:12 KJV) "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."

(Heb 5:13 KJV) "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."

(Heb 5:14 KJV) "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

I know who Herbert Armstrong was and what he taught. It was a mixture of anything that could draw people to him. His so called line of authority went like this...

GOD THE FATHER

JESUS CHRIST

HERBERT ARMSTRONG

I don't follow HWA!

He got his info from others and he considered the Jews to be the CHOSEN OF GOD. I don't!

Re: your confusion I refer you to the above. If you want to know the truth then you must search it out. That is the truth.

(Mat 13:52 KJV) "Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."

"NEW AND OLD."

That is New Testament and Old Testament.

Do you deny that GOD SEPERATED ISRAEL FROM JUDAH?

"God Said It, I Believe It, That Settles It!" (OR DOES IT?) Statement by William Hollis, M.A.

WORD OF GOD

(John 10:24 KJV) "Then came the JEWS round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly."

(John 10:25 KJV) "Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me."

(John 10:26 KJV) "But ye believe not, because YE ARE NOT OF MY SHEEP, as I said unto you."

(John 10:27 KJV) "MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me:"

(John 10:28 KJV) "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

Your word "This heretical and racist doctrine"

Translation: "Mark is a heretic."

You use the RACE CARD TO DICREDIT THE WORD OF GOD.

GOD'S WORD

(Ezek 47:23 KJV) "And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the STRANGER sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD."

Where is the RACISM?

Show me by the Word of God that the Jews are the CHOSEN OF GOD. REFUTE WHAT JESUS SAID!

-- Anonymous, February 17, 2000

"Judeo-Christian" Response to the Talmud

Neither the modern popes or the modern heads of Protestantism, have ever insisted that the rabbis of Judaism repudiate or condemn the racism in the Talmud or the murderous hate for Christians and gentiles expressed within it. On the contrary, the heads of Churchianity have urged the followers of Christ to obey, honor and support the followers of the Talmud. Therefore, it should be obvious that these Catholic and Protestant leaders are the worst betrayers of Jesus Christ on earth today. (Cf. Matthew 23:13-15; I Thess. 2:14-16; Titus 1:14; Luke 3:8-9; Rev. 3:9).

http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html

-- Anonymous, February 17, 2000

John Wilson, thank you for your careful explanation. I will read the links you posted.

Mark Hillyard, I want to say to you that I feel very sorry for your inner turmoil and pain. There seems to be a terrible anger in you, and it appears to vent itself in this issue. I think Jesus must be very grieved to hear your rants against His people, God's chosen people, from whom He chose to birth His Son and give us the precious Scriptures.

There are so many constructive and upbuilding subjects for Christians to share here that it puzzles me that you do not share positively in them, and leave this subject alone for awhile. You said you have been asked to leave three churches, and your posts here seem to give a hint at a personality and destructive bent which might have caused those three excommunications from a fellowship of believers. Here we do not see one another, and here everyone tries to be gracious. Does that make it a "safe" place to vent your inner turmoil?

-- Anonymous, February 17, 2000

The following are truths concerning British Israelism, like it or not:

• British Israelism was invented by a madman, Richard Brothers, who spent 8 years in a Canadian mental institution in the late 1700's;
• The Anglo-Saxons are genetically not a Semitic race;
• The English language is not Semitic, nor does it contain any hints of having a Hebrew heritage;
• The Anglo-Saxons and Israelites had completely different customs and religions;
• There are no ancient records that indicate Britain has an Israelite history;
• British-Israelism has very worrying 'Aryan Supremacy' overtones, and is espoused by such dangerous racist groups as 'Christian Identity';
• Even if the theory was correct, God doesn't care about race or skin colour (Acts 10:34-35), for the body of Christ is "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people" (1 Peter 2:9; Romans 9:6)

Paul told Timothy to "command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work-- which is by faith." If ever there were a false doctrine/myth that promoted controversy in the body of Christ, this is it!

-- Anonymous, February 17, 2000

The theory of British-Israeliism rests entirely on the presupposition that the ten northern tribes of the kingdom of Israel were "lost," and migrated northward, eventually winding up in the British isles. The following evidence from the Scriptures proves that the Ten Tribes of Israel were not lost (and therefore could not be the Anglo-Saxons):

In II Chronicles 30:1, it reads: "And Hezekiah wrote letters also to Ephraim and Manasseh that they should come to the house of the Lord at Jerusalem, to keep the Passover unto the Lord God of Israel."

Further, II Chronicles 30:18 states that "many of Ephraim and Manasseh, Issachar and Zebulum came to Jerusalem."

This event occurred sometime after the Assyrian invasion and the carrying away of Israel! Here are four of the supposed "lost" tribes ... not lost at all!

In the year B.C. 628, Josiah called Israel and Judah to observe the Passover. (A curious statement: If Israel were lost, why would Josiah be calling them?) In II Chronicles 34:9 it is recorded that Ephraim and Manasseh contributed to the rebuilding of the Temple by Josiah.

If the Northern Tribes were swept away, and especially the bearers of the birthright, Ephraim and Manasseh, how could they be present years later at these feasts?

In Luke 2:36 it is recorded that Jesus was found at the Temple by a prophetess named Anna, of the tribe of Asher. If Asher had disappeared into Assyrian captivity, who had kept the lineage of Anna's family?

-- Anonymous, February 17, 2000

Brother Wilson:

I say a hearty Amen to you in your post refuting this nonsense that we are getting from Mark in this and several other threads. He has deliberately veiled his true position by quoting passages of scripture wihout even attempting to indicate what he is exactly trying to prove by quoting them. In fact he also has deliberately quoted most of them completely out of context. If anyone wants to answer this nonsense, if he can figure out exactly what Mark is trying to prove, all that he need do is go and read the entire context surrounding any passage that he quotes. Because he has skillfully hidden these things from his words that he applies to no particular purpose that we can readily see.

You have very correctly identified these passages however as those that are in constant use among those who would have us to believe that Ten of the Northern tribes of Israel were lost. Now such is pure nonsense. They went into captivity yes. They never returned from captivity. Yes. But there were representives of every tribe living in Juda at the time that the ten northern tribes went into captivity so that a "remanant" was saved and therefore all of the twelve tribes of Israel remained to the very time of Jesus Christ and there is absolutely no evidence that those who went into captivity were consentrated and sent to Great Britian. In fact the scriptures teach that they were "scattered" but representatives of all of the tribes remained in the land of Juda!

I appreciate your recognizing Mark's nonsense and responding to it. You have located the reason for his being so "cryptic". He does not have the courage to boldly state his position first and then offer evidence to support it. He wants to stay in the relatively safe place in the muddy waters of confusion. Well, as you know, "God is not the Author of Confusion".

I appreciate your turning light on this "darkness". Nelta states her position and then runs away to hide. Mark hides by not clearly stating his position. He is using camafloge but you have the night vision scope of the word of God. I am glad that his false, cultic doctrines will not escape your diligent eye!

May God Bless you for your insight.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, February 17, 2000

John,

You said..."The English language is not Semitic, nor does it contain any hints of having a Hebrew heritage;"

The Word of God says...(Isa 28:11 KJV) "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

Which language did the Word of God go out in. English!

I won't bother with racism. People use that tactic to discredit.

You said...

"Even if the theory was correct, God doesn't care about race or skin colour (Acts 10:34-35), for the body of Christ is "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people" (1 Peter 2:9; Romans 9:6)"

Where did this come from?

(Exo 19:5 KJV) "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:"

(Exo 19:6 KJV) "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

I am not being cryptic as stated above. The word of God says...(Isa 28:9 KJV) "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."

(Isa 28:10 KJV) "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

(Isa 28:11 KJV) "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

(Isa 28:12 KJV) "To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear."

(Isa 28:13 KJV) "But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

(Eph 2:12 KJV) "That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:"

(Eph 2:13 KJV) "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

The Word of God becomes less confusing as you study it. You have to piece it together.

Lee,

"Mark hides by not clearly stating his position. He is using camafloge but you have the night vision scope of the word of God. I am glad that his false, cultic doctrines will not escape your diligent eye!"

What is unclear about the study of Israel and Judah. As stated in my other posts God did the seperation of the Israel and Judah. That is clear.

Most Christians, for some reason, are prepared to give the Kingdom over to those...(1 Th 2:15 KJV) "Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:"

Perhaps you are not reading my posts but are leaping to a conclusion based upon what you have been mistakenly taught over the years.

Re: Genealogy. According to the dictionary that is a study of one's family history. I am not trying to talk about my personal family History. In case you want to know I come basicly from British through Delaware and Jamestown. OK, enough of me.

Dicussing the History by the Bible of Israel and Judah is not involved in the teaching against genealogy. If you know about H W armstrong he used to try to prove that he was descended from King David. That's getting involved in genealogy. Perhaps it's a way for some to make themselves look better.

Just study it and use Gods Word to prove that the anti christ religion is the one that you want to turn the Kingdom over to, after the Rapture etc. etc.

Finally, Jesus came searching out the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. The Jews were not "LOST". They knew they were Jews.

Notice! (Acts 1:11 KJV) "Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Jesus left Jewry because the Jews wanted to kill him. He did his main work in Galilee. Benjamin? (1 Ki 11:36 KJV) "And unto his son will I give one tribe,[Benjamin] that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there."

Just study it and no need to call me a heretic. Use Gods word and SEE!

-- Anonymous, February 18, 2000

Mark:

You asked me the following question:

"What is unclear about the study of Israel and Judah. As stated in my other posts God did the seperation of the Israel and Judah. That is clear."

Nothing that the word of God says about Israel and Judah is unclear. However, everything you say about Israel and Judah is completely unintelligible. If you wish to affirm something about Israel and Judah and then attempt to prove it from the word of God then simply tell us what you wish to prove and we will discuss it with you.

If you believe that we do not understand about Israel and Judah then just show us in plain language just what it is that you think we do not understand and explain the facts to us. But your quoting of scriptures that are not connected to any point that you are trying to make is futile. In fact your reasoning seems as if you are on some kind of medication and cannot connect one thought with another.

Now the progression of passages that you quote, completely out of context, seems to indicate that it is your purpose to convince us that the ten Northern tribes of Israel were completely lost. It seems that you want us to believe that all that was left of Israel after the captivity was the tribes of Benjamin and Judah. You also fail to recognize the fact that the tribe of Judah was a part of Israel before the period of the divided Kingdom and that Judah remained a part of Israel after the divided Kingdom. For it was the Kingdom of Israel that became divided. The faithful Israelites who lived in the Northern Kingdom came to live in Judah near Jerusalem in order to worship God faithfully in the Temple in Jerusalem. Thus, in the Southern Kingdom of Israel there were two tribes, Benjamin and Judah, and within the land of those two tribes representatives of all twelve tribes in Israel took up residence. This became known as the Land of Judah. But it was made up, in fact, of all twelve tribes of Israel. Therefore, the faithful of all Israel were saved from captivity. When the Ten tribes were taken into captivity Israel, that is all twelve tribes of Israel, remained in the land of Judah. It was the unfaithful among the ten Northern tribes that were carried away. The faithful of all twelve tribes were saved in Judah. Later Judah, including representatives of all twelve tribes went into Babylonian captivity but they returned under Zerubbabel and rebuilt the Temple. So the very idea that ten of the twelve tribes of Israel were completely LOST, never to be seen again, is pure fiction and absolute nonsense that cannot be proven from the word of God by any stretch of the imagination! So if you are trying to teach us that these ten northern tribes of Israel were completely lost you have failed miserably. For the word of God teaches no such thing!

Then you say:

"Perhaps you are not reading my posts but are leaping to a conclusion based upon what you have been mistakenly taught over the years."

I have read your post and from reading them it is clear only that you appear to be either completely incapable of or deliberately unwilling to form a cogent train of thought or reasoning so that anyone with the slightest amount of common sense can comprehend what you are affirming. If anyone misunderstands you in this forum it is your own fault because you are not clear in anything that you say. What I have learned in the past about Israel and Judah is what I have read in the scriptures. In fact you are constantly telling us that we need to understand "Israel and Judah" but you contribute nothing to help us understand. The truth is that you need desperately to understand the Scriptural concept of Israel IN Judah. But you are not likely to do so because that idea is completely contrary to your previously formed opinions about Israel and Judah.

Neither do you tell us why it is important for anyone to believe that these ten northern tribes of Israel are completely lost. What if they were lost, which they certainly were not lost, but what if they were? What would that mean? What are the consequences of believing or not believing such an idea? Is there some reason that we should understand and accept that these ten tribes are lost? You obviously study little of what the scriptures have to say on any other subject. You are completely absorbed by this fascination with the idea that these ten tribes of Israel were lost. Why? What is so important about that idea even if it were true? I argue with you about it because I know that such a teaching is completely false. But, even if it were true, why is it so important to you? Now, I think I know your reasons but you seem to be afraid to tell us. So have some courage and stand up and tell us exactly what you affirm and do your best to prove it. Then we will answer you.

However, if you continue to show this complete inability or unwillingness to form a cogent line of thought and clear reasoning then we will have no choice but to cease wasting our time on one that is incapable or unwilling to reason.

Now, I know that you may complain that I am being unkind to you. But I am only speaking the truth. You are completely incoherent in all of your post. You are a very confused and angry person. We would like to help but you cannot help one who is lacking in capability to reason nor can you help one who is unwilling to speak the truth.

You also need desperately to learn some communication skills. All of us can improve our communications but you are without doubt the absolute worst communicator I have ever seen. It makes me believe that you are deliberately hiding your real position because you know that you CANNOT defend it as being the truth.

Your Friend in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, February 18, 2000

John, You said..."The English language is not Semitic, nor does it contain any hints of having a Hebrew heritage;"

The Word of God says...(Isa 28:11 KJV) "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

Which language did the Word of God go out in. English!

Prove to me that "another tongue" is referring to English, please. And pardon me, but most English people don't stammer.

Any linguist will tell you that English is related to German, and has its roots in the Aryan family of languages, coming out of India. Hebrew is a Semitic language having the same roots as Arabic. The two are worlds apart. The two are also genetically distinct. The Anglo-Saxons are related to the other northern Europeans and Scandinavians, not even close to being of Semitic or Mediterranean extraction.

Excuse me ... but the Word of God was originally written in HEBREW, with some ARAMAIC, and the New Testament was written entirely in GREEK. The Word of God, after Jesus, went out primarily in those languages for the first few hundred years, till Latin took over. The Word of God was translated into English relatively recently, in the 1500's. Prior to that it went out in Latin, German, Spanish, and a multitude of other languages. It has, as the Word of God itself fortold, been translated or is being translated into every tongue. Pardon me for being blunt, but any dolt should be able to see this. No ad hominem intended.

The Word of God becomes less confusing as you study it. You have to piece it together.

The Word of God is not confusing to me at all. And I have studied it. And you don't have to piece it together, like some cryptic jigsaw puzzle. It is pretty plain the way it stands.

Also, tell me this. If the Word of God was meant for the English, then why did Jesus come to the Jews? And why was it that for the first few hundred years, it was only proclaimed to the Jews, the north Africans and the Southern Europeans? The British, at this time, according to Tacitus, were pagans, worshipping many gods.

Most Christians, for some reason, are prepared to give the Kingdom over to those...(1 Th 2:15 KJV) "Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:"

Guess what, Mark? YOU KILLED THE LORD JESUS! YES, YOU! "He was delivered over to death for [because of] our sins" (Romans 4:25). For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for [because of] our sins according to the Scriptures" (1 Corinthians 15:3). He did not go unwillingly to the cross, his whole purpose was to die on that cross ... and your sins sent him there!

And guess what? Jesus died for the JEWS, too!!! John testifies of this: "Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, 'You know nothing at all! You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.' He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation (John 11:51)

Finally, Jesus came searching out the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. The Jews were not "LOST". They knew they were Jews.

They knew they were Jews, but they did not know they were lost! You confuse being physically lost with being spiritually lost. And that is what the Jews (of the house of Israel, the 12 tribes ... at least according to Paul! [Romans 11:1, Philippians 3:5]) were!

Finally, as I think we have made abundantly clear, British-Israelism stands or falls on whether or not the 10 tribes actually were "lost." There is ABSOLUTELY no Biblical evidence, archaeological evidence, historical evidence, or documentary evidence to show that this occurred. The Encyclopedia Britannica says, "The theory [of British-Israelism] ... rests on premises which are deemed by scholars - both theological and anthropological - to be utterly unsound" (The Encyclopedia Britannica. 11th edn. 1910. Vol.II, page 31). Biblically, a remnant of the 10 tribes returned and were represented up to Jesus' day. If the 10 tribes were not "lost," as the Bible plainly shows, British-Israelism is an absurd fantasy at best, and racism at worst.

"I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew" (The Apostle Paul - Romans 11:1-2a).

To him who has ears to hear, let him hear.

In His Service,

-- Anonymous, February 18, 2000

If Jesus came to seek the "lost" sheep of the house of Israel, who, in your theology, are the British ... then why did he appear in Israel, and not the British Isles? He never found those sheep! I would think that the Lord God Incarnate would have a little more sense than to miss the people he was searching for by over 2200 miles!

-- Anonymous, February 18, 2000

Mark:

You have attempted to teach us the following:

"If you are interested in understanding Prophecy re: Judah and Israel you must seperate the two. If you cross them with each other your outcome will be wrong."

I want everyone to read where the prophet Ezekiel, who surely understood prophecy, did the very thing that you claim we we cannot do! Read it every one and decide for yourself if your outcome will be wrong if you put Israel and Judah together or as Make puts it "if you cross them.

" The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, for Judah, and for the Children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, for Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL his companions: And Join them one to another into one stick; AND THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THY HAND. And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, wilt thou not show us what thou meaneth by these? Say unto them, thus saith the Lord God: Behold I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the TRIBES OF ISRAEL HIS FELLOWS, and will put them with him, even WITH THE STICK OF JUDAH, and MAKE THEM ONE STICK, and they shall be ONE IN MINE HAND. And the stick whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. Ezek. 37:15-20

Then notice the conclusian of the meaning of this "crossing of Israel and Judah" which GOd told Ezekial to do for He had not learned from brother Mark that if he did such a thing he would reach the "wrong conclusion". He did reach a conclusiaon that Mark will not like but I will trust God's conclusions! Read the conclusion for yourself:

" And say unto them, thus sayeth the Lord; Behold I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whether they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I WILL MAKE THEM ONE NATION in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be NO MORE TWO NATIONS, neither shall they they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all." Ezekiel 37:21-22.

Now we have Mark telling us that we cannot draw the correct conclusions in our interpretation of Prophecy if we "cross Israel and Judah". Then we have God telling Ezekiel, a prophet, to do the very thing that Mark does not want us to do and God himself told Ezekiel to put Judah and Israel together and interpreted the meaning of this prophecy based upon his "crossing Israel and Judah" and making them one in His hand. He then used that information to lead the people to draw a conclusion from doing the very thing that our friend Mark says will always give us the wrong conclusion. Now you can chose whose conclusion you will trust. I will trust God's conclusions.

Mark will not like this since it definately flys squarely in the face of his "Anglo-Israel" hogwash!

Your Friend in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, February 18, 2000

E.Lee,

"Mark that if he did such a thing he would reach the "wrong conclusion". He did reach a conclusiaon that Mark will not like but I will trust God's conclusions! Read the conclusion for yourself:"

Where did I say what you said?

(Heb 8:8 KJV) "For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:"

(Heb 8:9 KJV) "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord."

(Heb 8:10 KJV) "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"

It is very clear that God will do this thing. After all the Throne of the Lord resides with the House of David which came out of Judah.

(1 Chr 5:2 KJV) "For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)"

Notice Judah and the chief ruler, Jesus.

Notice the Birthright, Joseph received it NOT JUDAH and definitly not the Jews.

What is the Birthright?

(Gen 25:33 KJV) "And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob."

(Gen 48:17 KJV) "And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head."

(Gen 48:18 KJV) "And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head."

(Gen 48:19 KJV) "And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations."

(Gen 48:20 KJV) "And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh."

(Gen 49:22 KJV) "Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:"

(Gen 49:23 KJV) "The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:"

(Gen 49:24 KJV) "But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)"

(Gen 49:25 KJV) "Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:"

(Gen 49:26 KJV) "The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren."

If you are careful in your reading you will discover that Israel passed the birhtright on to Ephraim and Manassah, to become a GREAT NATION and A GREAT COMPANY OF NATIONS.

It was also prophesied that Israel would become the TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS...(Micah 4:1 KJV) "But in the LAST DAYS it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it."

That is also the STONE KINGDOM mentioned in Daniel, which Jesus mentioned (Mat 21:44 KJV) "And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."

...(Dan 2:34 KJV) "Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces."

(Dan 2:35 KJV) "Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff [grind him to powder} of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth."

What Great Nation fits this profile AMERICA OR the Jewish Nation. What isles do the Jews or Judah occupy?

What isles are occupied by Israel?

(Isa 49:1 KJV) "Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name."

(Isa 49:2 KJV) "And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;"

(Isa 49:3 KJV) "And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified."

(Isa 41:1 KJV) "Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment."

Who was to receive the WORD?

(Isa 9:8 KJV) "The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel."

Who was to become "sons of the Living God"?

(Hosea 1:10 KJV) "Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God."

(Hosea 1:11 KJV) "Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel."

Again I say that if you cross the two then you come to the wrong conclusion. Especially if you think that the Jews are the recipients of the promises.

You can't even cross the Blessings of Joseph with the blessings of the DAN-ish. Remember the Blue DAN-ube? (Gen 49:16 KJV) "Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel."

(Gen 49:17 KJV) "Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward."

(2 Tim 2:15 KJV) "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Hogwash or washing of water by the word? (Eph 5:26 KJV) "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,"

-- Anonymous, February 19, 2000

Mark:

In my last post I quoted something that you had said and I showed from Ezekiel 37 that you were completely in error concerning it. Your only response to my argument from Ezekiel 37:15-21 was to completely ignore everything that I had said to you. Whats the problem, Mark, are you having a little trouble with what God plainly said in Ezekiel 37:15-21? I think you are having real difficulty with it because you completely ignored it! Now you want us to believe in this Anglo-Israel" nonsense but you are really going to have to do much better than this!

Anyway, since all you could do was ask me a question, I will answer you and maybe, just maybe, you will try to deal with how Gods word is so opposed to your nonsense in Ezekiel 37:15-21.

In my Last Post I quoted your following words:

If you are interested in understanding Prophecy re: Judah and Israel you must seperate the two. If you cross them with each other your outcome will be wrong.

Then I responded with an argument from Ezekiel 37:15-21 where God combined Israel and Judah or as you say, crossed Israel and Judah" and gave an interpretation of prophecy by doing the very thing that you say will cause the outcome to be wrong. But Gods out come was not wrong. Instead we see that your outcome is always wrong because you have separated what God has joined together. God has joined Israel and Judah together in Ezekiel 37:15-21 and you try in every place to keep them separated and divided. This is one of many reasons that your conclusions are all wrong. But you did not even discuss Ezekiel 37:15-21. I predict that you will continue to avoid discussing it because you cannot deal with it. It does bother you, doesnt it?

All you could do is to ask me this question:

Where did I say what you said?

I guess it is embarrassing that you actually said the words that I quoted from your post dated February 15,2000. I will quote your words again and give your name and the date. On the 15th of February 2000 you, Mark Hillyard, said the following in this thread:

If you are interested in understanding Prophecy re: Judah and Israel you must seperate the two. If you cross them with each other your outcome will be wrong.

Now all you have to do is scroll up in this very thread and you will find that this is a direct and exact quotation of your words.

Now, you complain of my quoting your words as if I have falsely accused you of having said them. That is your complete answer to my post. AS if it were not enough that you said those words and then act as if you never said such a thing by asking me to show where did I say what you said? Then in the very same post, where you cast doubt as to whether you had ever said such a thing, you come along and say it again!

I now quote your words AGAIN from your LAST post:

Again I say that if you cross the two then you come to the wrong conclusion. Especially if you think that the Jews are the recipients of the promises.

So, again I refer you to my argument that you completely ignored by quoting for you my post AGAIN because AGAIN you say the same absolute ignorant Anglo-Israel nonsense which is completely contrary to the very word of God in Ezekiel 37:15-21.

"Mark: You have attempted to teach us the following:

"If you are interested in understanding Prophecy re: Judah and Israel you must seperate the two. If you cross them with each other your outcome will be wrong."

I want everyone to read where the prophet Ezekiel, who surely understood prophecy, did the very thing that you claim we we cannot do! Read it every one and decide for yourself if your outcome will be wrong if you put Israel and Judah together or as Make puts it "if you cross them.

" The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, for Judah, and for the Children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, for Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL his companions: And Join them one to another into one stick; AND THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THY HAND. And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, wilt thou not show us what thou meaneth by these? Say unto them, thus saith the Lord God: Behold I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the TRIBES OF ISRAEL HIS FELLOWS, and will put them with him, even WITH THE STICK OF JUDAH, and MAKE THEM ONE STICK, and they shall be ONE IN MINE HAND. And the stick whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. Ezek. 37:15-20

Then notice the conclusian of the meaning of this "crossing of Israel and Judah" which GOd told Ezekial to do for He had not learned from brother Mark that if he did such a thing he would reach the "wrong conclusion". He did reach a conclusiaon that Mark will not like but I will trust God's conclusions! Read the conclusion for yourself: " And say unto them, thus sayeth the Lord; Behold I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whether they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I WILL MAKE THEM ONE NATION in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be NO MORE TWO NATIONS, neither shall they they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all." Ezekiel 37:21-22.

Now we have Mark telling us that we cannot draw the correct conclusions in our interpretation of Prophecy if we "cross Israel and Judah". Then we have God telling Ezekiel, a prophet, to do the very thing that Mark does not want us to do and God himself told Ezekiel to put Judah and Israel together and interpreted the meaning of this prophecy based upon his "crossing Israel and Judah" and making them one in His hand. He then used that information to lead the people to draw a conclusion from doing the very thing that our friend Mark says will always give us the wrong conclusion. Now you can chose whose conclusion you will trust. I will trust God's conclusions.

Mark will not like this since it definately flys squarely in the face of his "Anglo-Israel" hogwash!

Your Friend in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold"

-- E.Lee Saffold (gdragon@mindspring.com), February 18, 2000. Now, Mark, I ask you once again answer Ezekiel 37:15-21. Come in here and explain to us just how it is that God crossed Israel and Judah and interpreted the very prophecy that he gave to Ezekiel by crossing Israel and Judah so that they became one in His hand. Tell us how God did the very thing that you say will cause ones outcome to be wrong but His outcome was right!

Do you believe that because God crossed Israel and Judah that His outcome was wrong? Ha! Mark you just do not know what to do with this passage, do you? I think if you had your way you would tear it out of the Bible. I know one thing for sure. We are not likely to hear you answer this one, now are we?

Yes, this Anglo- Israel nonsense is pure hogwash but you want us to believe that it is the washing of the water by the word. Ha! This is the washing of the brain by a cult through complete ignorance of the word!

I pray that God will help you see the truth but you must first love the truth. You have demonstrated to us that you do not love the truth because when you are confronted with it you run away.

Now that Brother Wilson has removed your camafloge of sheeps clothing and proven conclusively that you were trying to sneak in here and secretly teach British-Israelism by pretending to just be talking about the kingdom of God! That, Mark, makes you a wolf in sheeps clothing. Since you will probably ignore the arguments again, I think that I will recommend to Brother Wilson that he and I start another thread to explain just what this British-Israelism" is and show, as we have done already but not in great detail, that this nonsense is pure false Doctrine.

I recommend that we do this to help those who read your post to understand clearly the very nonsense that you are trying to teach.

For Christ and His Kingdom,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, February 19, 2000

I'll say it again! If you are interested in understanding Prophecy re: Judah and Israel,and the Jews you must seperate the them. If you cross them with each other your outcome will be wrong.

(2 Chr 11:3 KJV) "Speak unto Rehoboam the son of Solomon, king of Judah, and to all Israel in Judah and Benjamin, saying,"

(2 Chr 11:4 KJV) "Thus saith the LORD, Ye shall not go up, nor fight against your brethren: [Israel] return every man to his house: for this thing is done of me. And they obeyed the words of the LORD, and returned from going against Jeroboam."

(Ezek 37:15 KJV) "The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,"

(Ezek 37:16 KJV) "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:"

Do you see the two, one stick is Judah, etc. which was the Sceptre and the other stick Joseph, etc. which was the Birthright. Seperated then Joined. Put it alll together.

(1 Chr 5:2 KJV) "For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)"

God seperated them not me in my thoughts. It is Gods Word.

If you would take the time and read what God has said re: Judah and Israel then you would find that God said that HE SEPERATED JUDAH AND ISRAEL. That is God's word.

God also said that HE WOULD JOIN THEM TOGETHER. If you read the Book of Revelations the Bride of Christ is described. (Rev 21:12 KJV) "And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:"

JUDAH included.

If you are attempting to combine the promise of Sceptre and Birthright into prophesy,and then give it to the Jews, you will come up with the wrong conclusion. Israel was Seperated from Judah. It is that simple.

If the promise given to David was to be fullfilled then Judah via the House of David, had to be there in the SCEPTRE role. Not the Birhtright role. That, as stated in the Word of God, was Josephs.

What was Jeremiahs Job?

(Jer 1:10 KJV) "See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant."

The planting has to do with the Throne of the Lord. It could not have been destroyed as is taught because God promised David...(Jer 33:20 KJV) "Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;"

(Jer 33:21 KJV) "Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers."

(Jer 33:22 KJV) "As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me."

And below is the migration of Israel, which was also promised...(Gen 28:14 KJV) "And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed." Colonizers!

Following is Israel in the Assyrian Captivity prepared to SPREAD OUT as stated by God with the king having gone before, with the Lord on the head of them. Read Revelations (Rev 7:3 KJV) "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." [Israel]

(Micah 2:12 KJV) "I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men."

(Micah 2:13 KJV) "The breaker is come up before them: they have broken up, and have passed through the gate, and are gone out by it: and their king [seed of David] shall pass before them, and the LORD on the head of them [sealed]."

Read it carefully. It is confusing because you have been taught over the years that the Jews are the Chosen when it is very clear that the Christian People are the Chosen. (1 Pet 2:9 KJV) "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"

(Acts 26:6 KJV) "And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:"

(Acts 26:7 KJV) "Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews."

-- Anonymous, February 20, 2000

(Acts 26:6 KJV) "And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:"

(Acts 26:7 KJV) "Unto which promise our TWELVE TRIBES, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews."

What is the "hope of the promise" to the TWELVE TRIBES?

The hope of the promise is THE KINGDOM OF GOD with Jesus Christ as King. (Luke 1:32 KJV) "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:"

(Luke 1:33 KJV) "And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."

(Psa 105:42 KJV) "For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham his servant."

(Psa 105:43 KJV) "And he brought forth his people with joy, and his chosen (Christian Israel) with gladness:"

(Psa 105:44 KJV) "And gave them the lands of the heathen: and they inherited the labour of the people;"

(Psa 105:45 KJV) "That they might observe his statutes, and keep his laws. Praise ye the LORD."

(Rom 4:13 KJV) "For the promise, that he should be the HEIR OF THE WORLD, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith."

WHO IS OPPOSED TO THAT PROMISE?

By the Word of God...The Jews...(1 Th 2:15 KJV) "Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:"

Hogwash! Or washing of water by the Word of God?

(Rev 21:6 KJV) "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."

(Rev 21:7 KJV) "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."

(Rev 22:17 KJV) "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

Ask for this "water of Life."

-- Anonymous, February 20, 2000

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

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To recap:

The theory of British-Israelism rests entirely on the presupposition that the ten northern tribes of the kingdom of Israel were "lost," and migrated northward, eventually winding up in the British isles. There is absolutely no evidence, either Scriptural or archaeological, that this occurred.

The following evidence from the Scriptures proves that the Ten Tribes of Israel were not lost (and therefore could not be the Anglo- Saxons):

In II Chronicles 30:1, it reads: "And Hezekiah wrote letters also to Ephraim and Manasseh that they should come to the house of the Lord at Jerusalem, to keep the Passover unto the Lord God of Israel."

Further, II Chronicles 30:18 states that "many of Ephraim and Manasseh, Issachar and Zebulum came to Jerusalem."

This event occurred sometime after the Assyrian invasion and the carrying away of Israel! Here are four of the supposed "lost" tribes ... not lost at all!

In the year B.C. 628, Josiah called Israel and Judah to observe the Passover. (A curious statement: If Israel were lost, why would Josiah be calling them?) In II Chronicles 34:9 it is recorded that Ephraim and Manasseh contributed to the rebuilding of the Temple by Josiah.

If the Northern Tribes were swept away, and especially the bearers of the birthright, Ephraim and Manasseh, how could they be present years later at these feasts?

Which tribes did return from the captivity to build the temple, the walls, and the city itself? Ezra refers to God's regathered people as Israelites 40 times and as Jews 8 times. Nehemiah refers to God's regathered people as Israelites 22 times and as Jews 11 times. Apart from this, the term "all Israel" (not "some," not "minus a few tribes") is used in Ezra 2:70; 6:17; 8:25, 35; 10:5 and in Nehemiah 7:73; 12:47.

It is therefore evident that the terms "Jew" and "Israel" are interchangeable. Even as Paul called himself both a "Jew" (Acts 21:39, Acts 22:3) and an "Israelite" (Romans 11:1), and Jesus was referred to as "King of the Jews" (Matthew 27:37) and "King of Israel" (only 5 verses away, in Matthew 27:42!). (Incidentally, if the Israelites all packed off and moved to Britain, how could Paul possibly be an Israelite?)

Specifically, in Ezra chapter 2, representatives from several of the 10 northern tribes are listed. Here are just a few:

• Ezra 2:5 Arah, from the tribe of Asher (see I Chronicles 7:39, 40)
• 2:10 Bani, from the tribe of Gad (see Nehemiah 7:15)
• 2:21 Bethlehem, from the tribe of Zebulum (see Joshua 19:15-16)
• 2:26 Ramah, from the tribe of Nephtala (see Joshua 19:32- 39)
• 2:29 Nebo, from the tribe of Reuben (see I Chronicles 5:1- 8).

Also, in Luke 2:36 it is recorded that Jesus was found at the Temple by a prophetess named Anna, of the tribe of Asher. If Asher had disappeared into Assyrian captivity, who had kept the lineage of Anna's family?

Further evidence that the Ten northern tribes were not "lost":

Since the word "tribe" (shebet) is also translated "sceptre" in several passages (e.g. Genesis 49:10) it may refer to the ruling class, or the leadership, rather than the entire population. This is supported by the fact that Sargon II himself claimed to have deported only 27,290 people. Sargon's inscription describing the deportation has been found at Khorsabad in modern-day Iraq (see James B. Pritchard, Ancient Near Eastern Texts, 1950 ed., p.284-5).

This means that not all of the ten tribes were taken into captivity by the Assyrians but rather that some remained who were never "lost".

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The foundation of British-Israelism rests completely on the assumption that the 10 tribes of Israel were "lost", and somehow migrated to Britain. This foundation is unsound, unsupported either scripturally or archaeologically. The burden of proof is upon you to show us otherwise. You have yet to answer one point Brother Staffold or I have made. Especially on this most important point. Since it is abundantly clear to any but the blind that THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE for the so-called "lost" ten tribes, that foundation is sand and everything that rests upon it is folly.

The foundation of the Christian is upon Christ, and Christ alone. He is the Stone that the builders rejected, that has become the chief Cornerstone, of who's ministry, death and resurrection there is abundant scriptural and archaeological evidence. Upon this Rock He has built His church, and the gates of Hell have not prevailed against it. This is the true Stone kingdom: not Britain or the United States, but the kingdom of priests known as Christians. The wise man builds his foundation upon the Rock.

-- Anonymous, February 20, 2000

Propaganda is bewitching.

(Gal 3:1 KJV) "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?"

I have to admit that for years, 'til I was maybe thirty five, maybe forty, I followed the thinking that the Jews were the chosen of God. I have studied this since I was approx 23. It is/was very confusing but if you stick to it then the truth will shine through the bewitching.

This is how it came to be that all Israel was represented in Judah after God seperated Israel and Judah.

Just read and take Gods Word for it.

(2 Chr 11:16 KJV) "And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers."

(2 Chr 11:17 KJV) "So they strengthened the kingdom of Judah, and made Rehoboam the son of Solomon strong, three years: for three years they walked in the way of David and Solomon."

You say that Israel was not lost.

"This event occurred sometime after the Assyrian invasion and the carrying away of Israel! Here are four of the supposed "lost" tribes ... not lost at all!" I know that!

Check out a map of the Assyrian Captivity of Israel.

What did Jesus say.

(Mat 10:6 KJV) "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

(Mat 10:7 KJV) "And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand."

(Mat 15:24 KJV) "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

If they were not lost why did Jesus say they were? God said they would get lost and not be able to find their way.

(Hosea 2:6 KJV) "Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths."

(Hosea 2:7 KJV) "And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; [THE GOD OF ISRAEL=JESUS=first husband] for then was it better with me than now."

If you would take the time to read my posts then you would be able to see. But you, like myself IN THE PAST, have been taken and bewitched into believing that the ANTICHRIST is the Chosen of God.

(1 John 2:22 KJV) "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

(1 John 2:23 KJV) "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."

No Son, No Father. "In vain do they worship."

What did Jesus say about the Jews? He called them liars

(John 8:43 KJV) "Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word."

(John 8:44 KJV) "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

You surrender the Kingdom to the antichrist[ian]. And you teach other Christians that the antichrist Jews are the Chosen, it is patently absurd. Christians are the Chosen of God.

The Stone Kingdom is a fact also...(Dan 2:45 KJV) "Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure."

(Jer 51:19 KJV) "The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name."

(Jer 51:20 KJV) "Thou art my battle ax and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms;"

True that Jesus is the Chief. But He did say that Israel was the battle ax. And Israel is the Stone Kingdom cut out without hands.

(Gen 35:14 KJV) "And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, even a pillar of stone: and he poured a drink offering thereon, and he poured oil thereon."

(Gen 49:24 KJV) "But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)"

Jesus came out of Judah so this "stone of Israel" cannot be a reference to Jesus but the stone that Jacob poured oil on (Gen 28:22 KJV) "And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee."

I think I have answered your questions with the Word of God.

Israel was to dwell in the isles.

(Isa 42:4 KJV) "He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law."

(Acts 26:6 KJV) "And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise (the Kingdom) made of God unto our fathers:"

(Acts 26:7 KJV) "Unto which promise our twelve tribes [Christian], instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I AM ACCUSED OF THE JEWS."

(Acts 1:6 KJV) "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the KINGDOM TO ISRAEL?"

Think about it. The Kingdom goes to Israel, Israel became Christians and the Jews do not answer to Christ. Therefore, if Jesus were to betray Christians and turn the Kingdom over to the Jews then he would be turning the Kingdom over to his enemies.

(Mat 28:12 KJV) "And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,"

(Mat 28:13 KJV) "Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept."

(Mat 28:14 KJV) "And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you."

(Mat 28:15 KJV) "So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day."

And as usual the Jews turn out to be liars, not the Chosen of God.

(Prov 27:17 KJV) "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."

-- Anonymous, February 20, 2000

Thank you John and Lee. I have often found it frustrating to deal with Mark. I have also found that he indeed like to avoid the truth of God by using the Word of God improperly. At almost every point he take the scriptures out of context and mis-applies it. I too am waiting to see what he has to say about your post.

-- Anonymous, February 20, 2000

Mark:

First, on Feb. 15 2000 you say: "If you are interested in understanding Prophecy re: Judah and Israel, and the Jews you must seperate the them. If you cross them with each other your outcome will be wrong."

Then, on Feb. 19, 2000 you question, as if you had never said such a thing, where you said it with these words:

"Where did I say what you said?"

And in the same post where you try to cast doubt on whether you had said such words you actually repeat them again.

Now in you post dated February 20th, 2000 you say it again with these words:

"I'll say it again! "If you are interested in understanding Prophecy re: Judah and Israel, and the Jews you must seperate the them. If you cross them with each other your outcome will be wrong."

So there is no question that you are in direct conflict with the very word of God in Ezekiel 37:15-22 where God Joined Israel and Judah together to draw a conclusion that they would be one nation. He "crossed them and made them one in his hand and drew the conclusion that they would be one nation. You say that if they are ever "crossed" the conclusion would be WRONG. But God crossed them in Ezekiel's hand, which is the very thing you say that will cause the outcome to be wrong. Therefore you are saying that God's outcome in Ezekiel 37:15-22 must be WRONG! You continue to ignore this fact because it scares you. For it completely destroys your theory that we can never combine Israel and Judah without reaching the wrong conclusion about them. You have stated this false doctrine now three times but you have not even once attempted to deal with Ezekiel 37:15-22. It does not matter, Mark, how many times you ASSERT something to be true. It only counts when you PROVE with evidence that it is true.

Now why don't you come in here and give us evidence from the WORD OF GOD that shows that "If you are interested in understanding prophecy re: Judah and Israel and the Jews you MUST separate them. If you cross them with each other your outcome will be wrong?"

Now God, in Ezekiel 37:15-22 clearly crossed them with each other and reached the conclusion that they would never be separated again! "And I WILL MAKE THEM ONE NATION in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be NO MORE TWO NATIONS, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all." Ezekiel 37:21-22.

GOD said, "neither shall they be DIVIDED INTO TWO KINGDOMS ANY MORE AT ALL." But YOU come in here trying to tell us that they MUST be kept SEPARATE! God said, "NEITHER SHALL THEY BE DIVIDED ANY MORE." But Mark says, "YOU MUST SEPARATE THEM". Now our readers can decide for themselves. Do we accept God's conclusion, "neither shall they be divided ANY MORE" or Marks diametrically opposed conclusion to God's which requires that they "MUST BE KEPT SEPARATE"? I will accept God's conclusion and therefore I must reject Mark's conclusion about this matter.

Then, after telling us that we must keep "Israel and Judah separate" you tell us:

"If you would take the time and read what God has said re: Judah and Israel then you would find that God said that HE SEPERATED JUDAH AND ISRAEL. That is God's word." But Ezekiel 37:15-22 shows that he Joined them together never to be separated again. Even you admit this with your following words:

"God also said that HE WOULD JOIN THEM TOGETHER. If you read the Book of Revelations the Bride of Christ is described. (Rev 21:12 KJV) "And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:" JUDAH included."

Then you follow this statement with these words:

"Israel was Seperated from Judah. It is that simple."

Now, Mark, MAKE UP YOUR MIND. Are they to be "KEPT SEPARATE" as you have been telling us or are the JOINED TOGETHER as you have admitted with your above quotation.

Mark, it does appear that Ezekiel 37:15-22 has you stunned, staggering, and stammering! For now you cannot even make up your mind whether or not Israel and Judah should be "Joined" together or "kept separate".

Then you try to leave the impression that you are trying to correct those who believe that the Jews are God's chosen people today by teaching that Christians are God's chosen one's. But the truth is that you are claiming that "Great Britain" is Israel. Therefore "Great Britain", according to Mark, is the chosen people of God.

Now I believe with all of my heart that CHRISTIANS are God's chosen People. For such is the teaching of 2Peter 2:9. But Mark is trying to teach that the British are God's chosen people and no one else. He claims that no Jews can be God's people. Yet he pretends to teach that Christians are the chosen of God and that therefore no Jews can be among the chosen ones. Any Jewish person, who has become a Christian in obedience to the gospel of Christ, is one of God's chosen people even if he is not British. Even if he is not Anglo-Saxon by race. In fact, Christ died for all men! (Romans 5:18). He did not die for any one nation over others.

" And they sang a new song saying, worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of EVERY TRIBE, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE AND NATION and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priest; and they reign upon the earth." (Revelation 5: 9,10).

Why don't you come back in here, Mark, and tell us that you accept the fact that since Christians are the chosen of God (2 Peter 2:9) and some Jews have become Christians (Acts 2:35-47; Acts 22:16) that there are Jews among those who are God's chosen. For the Gospel is the Power of God unto salvation to THE JEW FIRST and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16).

Yes, Mark, there is no doubt that your false doctrine of "Anglo-Israelism" is false to it's very core and you are completely unable to deal with the fact that Ezekiel 37:15-22 completely refutes your false claims.

For Christ and His Kingdom,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, February 21, 2000

Do a word study in the New Testament on the word "Jew." Just the Bible, a concordance and a prayerful attitude. If you do, you will discover something very interesting. "The Jews" doesn't always mean the Jews!

What do I mean? When Jesus and the Gospel writers talk about "the Jews" sometimes they are referring to the people around them, their fellow countrymen. But when they talk about "the Jews" in a pejorative way, the context clearly shows they are always referring not to the tribe of Judah, but to the hypocritical religious leaders, the chief priests, scribes and Pharisees. If you do not understand this distinction, your whole theology will be skewed. As it obviously is. Set aside your ideology, and read for yourself, and see.

This is plain and simple, not hidden like your so-called theology. Which is a really good test of whether a doctrine is true or not. If it takes a lot of wresting of scripture to get there, if it isn't plain and simple to the average reader (which obviously it isn't, cause nobody thought of it until a couple hundred years ago), it is probably wrong. Because God spoke in the language of the common man. The New Testament is written in every day man-on-the-street Greek. If you have a doctrine that is understandable only to those initiated into it, those who are revealed the "truth," what you have is Gnostic heresy of one form or another.

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You still refuse to show physical evidence of your claims. (Because there are none!) You still refuse to answer Brother Staffold's points or mine. You refuse to recognize the obviously clear teaching of the Scripture that "Jews" and "Israelites" are used interchangeably (except for the instances I have just noted above). You have gone on ahead of the clear and plain teachings of scripture, and have pieced together a patchwork of out-of-context verses, wresting the scripture to your own destruction. The three former congregations that put you out were right to do so; I applaud the Elders of those houses for their insight.

I choose to serve the King of the Jews. I accept the salvation that is of the Jews, and to the Jew first. I believe the Bible, the very Word of God, preserved for 4000 years by the Jews. I believe the Torah (Genesis through Deuteronomy), the Tanakh (the rest of the Old Testament) and the New Testament, all written by Jews. I choose to be under the New Covenant, which was made with both the house of Israel and the house of Judah (Jeremiah 31:31). I stand with Jesus and Paul, both admitted to be Jews. For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. And I stand against any and all false teachers who would pervert the clear teaching of Scripture. Your doctrine is heretical, Mark, and I call on you in the name of Jesus Christ, King of the Jews, to repent.

-- Anonymous, February 22, 2000

Thank you, Danny. <smirk> I stand corrected. (Perhaps we should through out everything but Luke?)

-- Anonymous, February 22, 2000

On the other hand, we don't know much about Luke's prior beliefs, only that he had a Greek name. He might have been a Jewish proselyte, like one of the seven deacons in Acts 6, who also had Greek names. :^

-- Anonymous, February 22, 2000

No, I don't see the need for Luke to become Jewish at all. You misunderstood me. I was merely saying that he may have been, even before Paul met him. We simply don't know; we aren't told.

-- Anonymous, February 22, 2000

One thing's for sure: He was no Brit!

-- Anonymous, February 23, 2000

"Yet he pretends to teach that Christians are the chosen of God and that therefore no Jews can be among the chosen ones."

He never said that!

(Gal 3:28 KJV) "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

If you would take the time to read my posts you would know that I claim all are included.

The only trouble you are having is that you have not taken the time to discover. You are dead set on your theology, possibly because that is what you learned in Seminary.

(Gen 49:1 KJV) "And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the LAST DAYS."

(Gen 49:2 KJV) "Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father."

Go to the new thread above and read what Josephus had to say about the Ten Tribes.

If you ascribe the prophecies relating to Israel to Judah or the Jews then you will come to the wrong conclusion.

(Est 8:17 KJV) "And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land BECAME JEWS; FOR THE FEAR OF THE JEWS FELL UPON THEM."

These people became Jews in the religious sense and in no sense at all are they able to receive the Promises or prophecies ascribed to Joseph, Judah, Ephraim, Dan, or any of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

"I believe the Torah (Genesis through Deuteronomy), the Tanakh (the rest of the Old Testament) and the New Testament, all written by Jews."

Pardon me but Moses was not a Jew? He was a Levite. Moses wrote the Torah. so to say that the Jews wrote the Torah is malarky.

-- Anonymous, February 24, 2000

One thing's for sure: He was no Brit!

-- John Wilson

Are you sure about that?

(Isa 49:8 KJV) "Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a COVENANT OF THE POEPLE, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;"

Brit in MODERN Hebrew means COVENANT!

beriyth:H1285 IN OLD HEBREW MEANS COVENANT

1285. beriyth, ber-eeth'; from H1262 (in the sense of cutting [like H1254]); a compact (because made by passing between pieces of flesh):--confederacy, [con-]feder[-ate], covenant, league.

Brit is short for British. Therefore he was a BRIT! Or covenant man!

-- Anonymous, February 24, 2000

Oh, you have GOT to be kidding! Not to mention the facts that I have mentioned in the other thread concerning the inane supposed origin of the word "British," do you honestly believe Luke was BRITISH? What the heck is he doing 2000 miles away from Britian? At a time when Tacitus mentions that the British are pagan savages, yet? And what the heck is he doing with a Greek name? Yes, I am 100% sure Luke was not British. And you will be hard-pressed from Scripture or any other way (other than your twisting of Hebrew) to prove otherwise. Your statement just exposes the delusional nature of British-Israelism, and the great lengths of silliness that its adherents are willing to go to make their pet theory fit the Scripture. Peter spoke the truth when he wrote that "ignorant and unstable people distort the Scriptures to their own destruction."

In His Service,

-- Anonymous, February 24, 2000

(Stupid browser didn't post my name! Sorry to the moderators!)

-- Anonymous, February 24, 2000