The June spreadsheet is available at ftp://ftp.nerc.com/pub/sys/all_updl/docs/y2k/june1999.xls

Average percent complete is 99%.

191 are now reporting complete. The NERC report to DOE will list them, along with the reported exceptions.

Must have missed a few reports.

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-deja.com), July 12, 1999

Answers

Hoffmeister commented,

"191 are now reporting complete. The NERC report to DOE will list them, along with the reported exceptions."

Hoffmeister, you use the term "complete" here. What EXACTLY does this mean?

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 12, 1999.

From ftp://ftp.nerc.co m/pub/sys/all_updl/docs/y2k/clarification%20of%20report%20process%20an d%20criteria%20-%20final.pdf

Y2k Ready  Y2k Ready means a system, component, or application has been determined to be suitable for continued use into the Year 2000. Note that Y2k Ready is not necessarily the same as Y2k Compliant, which requires fully correct date manipulations. The definition of Y2k Ready requires that the primary function(s) of the system, component, or application will continue to be provided reliably into the Year 2000. Although fixing or replacing a deficient system, component, or application to make it Y2k Compliant is one solution, achieving Y2k Ready status also may be accomplished through remediation. Remediation may include, for example, a software patch to display a correct date to an operator. Remediation could also be procedural, such as providing a highly reliable alternative that allows continuation of the primary function of the system, component, or application. Being Y2k Ready requires verification that each function necessary to reliably produce and deliver electricity is very likely to:

1. Not be impaired by a Y2k failure,

2. Continue performing satisfactorily into the Year 2000, and

3. Be sustainable indefinitely into the Year 2000.

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-deja.com), July 12, 1999.

Here Ray, from July 8 Nuclear Information and Resource Service press release http://www.nirs.org/y2k/y2k7799.htm:

According to the NRC, which released preliminary information about the status of nuclear reactors and the Y2K issue yesterday, 35 reactors are not yet "Y2K ready," although all were supposed to be ready by July 1, 1999. Moreover, as noted yesterday by Rep. Edward Markey (D-Mass.), the concept of Y2K ready does not mean "Y2K compliant." In fact, for the nuclear industry, "Y2K ready" can mean simply turning back the clock to 1972 and hoping everything works properly.

-- a (a@a.a), July 12, 1999.

Hoffmeister, I guess I'm confused again. You used the term COMPLETE, then you gave me a definition for READY.

Here comes the BIGGIE, does COMPLETE = READY ??

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 12, 1999.

Thanks "a", I think you put things in proper perspective !!

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 12, 1999.

hah. watch the extremists quibble over semantics.

Is you computer software "perfect" right now? does it fail on occasion? It might be called "ready" but not "perfect". Does it get the job done? YES.

Now apply that to y2k. Can anyone claim to be "complete" when extremists like you guys are running around picking at every nit that comes up? NO. A glitch that might happen now and be explained as "life with computers", will be instantly blamed on y2k problems inviting lawsuits if a company said "complete" instead of "ready", if it happens anywhere NEAR rollover! you can witness this now as every explosion, power outage, etc. is blamed on "secret y2k testing".

Use your knoggins for something other than doorstops, huh?

-- squabble (bicker@bicker.bitch), July 12, 1999.

Squabble, y2k ready is merely a way for the establisment to LIE. Now I know in this new paradigm LYING is an acceptable trait but for me it is NOT.

If you want to swallow this garbage be my guest but I'll keep setting the record straight as long as I'm around.

LYING NOT ACCEPTABLE !!

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 12, 1999.

Err, Ray, just what "record" did you set "straight"?

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-deja.com), July 12, 1999.

Errr.. Hoffmeister, did you forget to answer THIS question??

"Hoffmeister, I guess I'm confused again. You used the term COMPLETE, then you gave me a definition for READY.

Here comes the BIGGIE, does COMPLETE = READY ??"

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 12, 1999.

Ray, I reported the percentages listed on the NERC spreadsheet.

As a little extra, I track the number reporting 100% done with remediation and testing. In the past, I've broken down the numbers in percentile rankings. It doesn't seem worth the effort at this point.

So I reported that 191 reported complete to NERC. I then posted the definition of what complete means when reporting to NERC. You doomers are so good at "connecting the dots", but you can't figure the answer for yourself?

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-deja.com), July 12, 1999.

I congratulate the companies that have truly finished their remediation and testing - assuming I can find them.

I don't really give a d**m what they call it - I want to know how many have finished testing their distribution and control systems, and how many have "completed" integrated systems at every one of their power plants - the individual company reports I've seen have NOT done that. Many indicate partial testing, partial compliance, future testing, and the like. Further, many of the companies (particularly those in the 50% of smaller companies) are reporting with "blanks" - which cannot be construed as "complete" anything.

Yes, good progress has been made in many plants - particularly those whose clocks have been completely "set forward", and exceptional progress has been reported - as required by the federal government. But will these systems work next year? The answer remains: Maybe yes, maybe no. Most likely, in most places: probably yes, probably most of the time.

-- Robert A Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), July 12, 1999.

Hoffmeister commented:

"You doomers are so good at "connecting the dots", but you can't figure the answer for yourself? "

Hoffmeister, yes we do TRY to connect the dots but find it quite difficult when you SPINMEISTERS are out doing your thing, which you do quite well. I think Robert Cook did a much better job in the above post than I could ever do in pointing the concerns. Keep up the great posts Robert.

Your Pal, Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 12, 1999.

Ahh, Robert. Don't have time to go through the whole list, but here's a few:

TVA

Our generation group has successfully converted all 59 units at 11 fossil plants and 70 units at 11 hydro plants to Year 2000. All systems at those plants were set forward to test the transition to January 1, 2000. The hydro plants are still operating in Year 2000 mode. Fifty-five of the fifty-nine fossil units are generating power in Year 2000 mode. Four fossil units ran in Year 2000 mode for 90 days before being reset to the current date.

All transmission substations and switchyards containing microprocessor relays and programmable logic controllers have been converted to Year 2000 dates and are transmitting power in Year 2000 mode.

Avista

Avista Corp. (NYSE: AVA) has completed Y2K testing at all 11 of its owned electric generation facilities located throughout the Inland Northwest.....

If I get the time, I'll go through some more.

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-deja.com), July 12, 1999.

What state are the other couple of thousand electric utilities in at his point? Confusion?

-- Mike Lang (webflier@erols.com), July 12, 1999.

Ray (my"pal"),

After 1/1/00 will you acknowledge that there was no "lying" and it was you and your ilk who were doing the spinning?

BTW, loved this quote "Hoffmeister, I guess I'm confused again -- Ray"

I believe that is a perpetual state with you, is it not?

YOUR pal,

-- the (anti@ext.remist), July 12, 1999.

Exactly - thank you Sir Hoff. It is only that level (as you found) that indicates that those plants can "get power to the fence" - the verifiying national distribution system is next.

But, is the level of "tested and integration completed" as indicated by TVA and Avista (?) systems the norm, or the exception? My review indicated quite definitely that these represented the exceptional few - rather than the vast majority - of the nation's power plants.

Given the load factors at mid-winter, it would appear that at least 80% of all plants must be fully remediated and tested (as indicated by TVA) before enough generation can be assumed. And again -distribution can only follow generation, but is equally important; and it is perhaps even hard to "work-around" regional control failures than specific generation failures at different isolated plants.

-- Robert A Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), July 12, 1999.

"the" commented:

"After 1/1/00 will you acknowledge that there was no "lying" and it was you and your ilk who were doing the spinning? "

"the", LYING is pervasive in our society, it begins at the top with the LIAR-IN-CHIEF, you know the guy that waved his finger at millions of us common folk and uttered those now famous words "I did not have sex with that woman ... Monica Lesinsky". It's OK to lie, we have even coined different terms for LYING these days, such as y2k Ready. NO "the", there will be no need for me toacknowledge there was no lying going on, the legal profession will be making billions proving that there was MASSIVE LYING going on.

Your Pal, Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 12, 1999.

Whew! Thank you Robert for the enlightenment. :o)

-- Sandmann (Sandmann@alasbab.com), July 12, 1999.

"the legal profession will be making billions proving that there was MASSIVE LYING going on."

but Ray "my pal", I thought without power the whole western world would "tank". Are you suggesting that the power will be on and lawyers will be making billions proving that the likes of North, Yourdon, Hyatt, Adams, etc. were lying?

Will the power be on or not? if it is ON I guess that would prove the power companies were not lying? Or in your mind are they still "lying" even though the power is on? If it is OFF, how would leagal eagles do any legalizing? To use GN's analogy, how would they get paid? how would they get food from stores that have no power and can't transact with banks that have no power...

I'm afraid you can't have it both ways Ray "my pal".

YOUR pal, the anti-extremist

-- not elitist (but@anti.extremist), July 12, 1999.

not elitist: In case you missed kindergarden the day they went over the Number Line, there are actually 8 other steps between 1 and 10. See, lookey:

1
2 <- power out at not elitist's place for three hours
3
4 <- power out at not elitist's place for three days!
5
6 <- power out at not elitist's place for three weeks!!!
7
8 <- power out in not elitist's lifeless body!!!!!!
9
10<- really bad, bad BAD things happen!

-- a (a@a.a), July 12, 1999.

a@a.a [my what an imaginative nickname!]

thank you for attacking me and not my postings. this makes me feel very warm and fuzzy inside.

Do you suppose you could take a minute from your ad hominem musings and answer the question posed to "my pal" Ray? He seems to have come down with a case of lockjaw.

-- not elitist (but@anti.extremist), July 12, 1999.

not elitist, I'll be around until the last LIAR is rounded up and thrown in jail. Let's start with the lead LIAR and work our way down.

If you don't think there are a TON of folks out there LYING about y2k I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'm sure you'll be interested in.

Time will be the ultimate truthteller and I am confident it will be on MY side.

Your Pal, Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 12, 1999.

Ray "my pal" my buddy me amigo

Do you think you could answer the question? see if you can f-o-c-u-s just for a sec; This thread is about NERC and POWER GENERATION. You said the lawyers will be making billions off of proving the LYING that is going on. How will they do this if there is no power. If there IS power, why would they be going to law?

-- not elitist (but@anti.extremist), July 13, 1999.

Not elitist - you don't understand the level of the problem. The lawsuits will merely wait until the power comes back on.

You can't exterminate lawyers. As soon as power is restored, they will come crawling out from the cracks between the moral and physical decay of society. If only one survives, we will have a grace period until he starts a law school, and graduates his first class. But, if two crawl out, they will immediately begin suing each other's clients.

Like cockroaches, mold and algea, they will multiply in the dark, but wait until the light comes to begin suing, as they feed on the remnents of living beings.

-- Robert A Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), July 13, 1999.

Thank you again Robert, much appreciated !!

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 13, 1999.

Translation: "God, thank you Bob! I stuck my foot so far in my mouth I'll be tasting toe-jam for months! I had NO IDEA how to get out of that one, but your double-talk sure helped! Now I don't have to address the reality that if the power is ON there are no reasons for litigation." - Ray

-- Translator (Uspeak-ee@no.good-ee eengleesh), July 13, 1999.