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Has Rick Cowles agreed to discuss the latest NERC report with Dan the Power Man? If so, where will this take place?
-- Stephen M. Poole, CET (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), April 28, 1999
Good question Stephen. The report is due out this Friday, and I hope it's on the web by then. BTW Dan's credibility has been confirmed by Drew Parkhill. I'll keep an eye on euy2k also. <:)=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), April 28, 1999.
there is NO WAY Cowles will discuss with ANYONE... it would once and for all expose his lack of credentials.
-- (.`.`@.`.`), April 28, 1999.
Oh, Cowles has credentials -- in IT.
-- Stephen M. Poole, CET (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), April 28, 1999.
,,@,, or whatever your moniker is:For craps sake, why don't you at least do 3 minutes worth of research before you display your knowledge (or lack thereof) about Rick Cowles?
http://www.euy2k.com/contact.htm
-- (mass@delusions.com), April 28, 1999.
Delusion-boy,This is from an old thread re: Cowles credentials.
As far as his bio is concerned, let's say I am not convinced of his expert status regarding control systems and embedded systems in general.
Mr. Cowles began his career in the commercial electric utility industry with Stone and Webster Engineering Corporation in 1980, after serving six years on nuclear submarines in the U.S. Navy.
Q: Doing what? Since no college credentials were included, my guess is that he enlisted in the Navy out of high school and the fact that he was on a nuclear sub versus a garbage scow has no relevance to his qualifications. What was his position with Stone and Webster, design engineer or custodian?
In 1983, he joined the Operations Staff at Public Service Electric and Gas Hope Creek Nuclear Generating Station.
According to PSE&G's home page (www.pseg.com) "Hope Creek Generating Station began operating in 1986." Hmmm...
Over the next 15 years, he worked in the power generation, regulatory and business ends of the electric industry. Hes spent time on the shop floor, in the board room, and control room. His information systems and instrumentation / controls experience (ISA certifications, 1983) span that entire timeframe, from System 38 and Tandem NonStop II system operations to an SAP enterprise resource planning implementation.
Again, doing what? I have 'experience' with a lot of things but certainly not 'expertise'. His 'ISA Certification' essentially menas he attended a 2-3 day short course on some topic.
-- No Mass (delusions@here.bub), April 28, 1999.
no mass,I think (mass@delusions.com) was speaking of himself and his buddies. they are sharing a mass delusion that will end in just over 7 months.
hey there, (mass@delusions.com) try e-mailing Cowles and asking for specifics RE: his background. he'll ignore you just like everybody else.
-- (.`.`@.`.`), April 28, 1999.
No Mass - just shows you what the hell you know about the power industry.In 1983, he joined the Operations Staff at Public Service Electric and Gas Hope Creek Nuclear Generating Station.
According to PSE&G's home page (www.pseg.com) "Hope Creek Generating Station began operating in 1986." Hmmm...
Have you ever heard of 'precommissioning'? Do you think the plants get built and startup tested by themselves?
Since I worked with him in the past, and know Rick personally, I am familiar with his in-depth background (beyond what's in his PR prepared bio on his page). I'm sure if you wanted to hire him, he'd be pleased to share his full resume and references with you.
Suffice it to say I would walk lockstep through the gates of hell with him were he to ask. I can't say that of you or any of the other snipers on this or any other Y2K forum. Why don't you for once read what he's written instead of what others have written about him?
-- Dan Webster (cantsp@mme.com), April 28, 1999.
All right Dan! Go get em! I'm right behind ya!
-- rick (cowles@for.president), April 28, 1999.
Thanks Dan,You just saved me the trouble of posting an identical response.
-- Watcher5 (anon@anon.com), April 28, 1999.
Suffice it to say I would walk lockstep through the gates of hell with him were he to ask. I can't say that of you or any of the other snipers on this or any other Y2K forum. Why don't you for once read what he's written instead of what others have written about him?-- Dan Webster (cantsp@mme.com), April 28, 1999.
Hero worship at its finest, (or is that a paid statement?)
why not read what he's written?!? because it is mostly nonsense/bullshit, thats why.
BTW, you hit the nail with "I'm sure if you wanted to hire him, he'd be pleased to share his full resume and references with you."
Otherwise its just "F off! I am cowles the magnificent. I am an expert because I say I am!"
-- (.`.`@.`.`), April 28, 1999.
Hey, we all need heroes...:)From what I've seen ( from an civilian viewpoint ) I would trust Rick. I've checked out his statements as best I can, and find him conservative and rational. He doesn't seem to be as "reactive" as many posters on this forum (or his forum either).
FWIW.
-- LindaO (Aokay@hotmail.com), April 28, 1999.
my money is on Millshttp://www.y2ktimebomb.com/PP/RC/index.htm
-- why? (huh@uhhh.no), April 28, 1999.
If you've actually read Cowles book and know anything you should be able to spot the mistakes. The only true story in there is about Hawaiian Electric's EMS system. And that was widely reported elsewhere and corrected years ago. The report about Main Central Power finding bad chips in their voltage regulators is bogus. I know, I called them to checked it out. It's what made me question the whole thing in the first place. I read that and said to myself it didn't make any sense from the equipment I've worked on. Cowles has, to my knowledge, never admitted it. He tells you where he worked, but never what he did. There are no specifics. Some of his other statement about chips in reclosers are doubtful, or at least not verifiable with any self-contained recloser that I know of or have worked on.
-- The Engineer. (Engineer@tech.com), April 28, 1999.
Sounds like a future "Celebrity Death Match" to me.What a bunch of wankers. When y'all from the Biffy forum start paying attention to the problemo instead of trying to compare up penis sizes, I'll start paying attention to what you have to say.
-- Night (y2k_nightmare@my-dejanews.com), April 28, 1999.
bold off
-- Night (y2k_nightmare@my-dejanews.com), April 28, 1999.
then back on again
-- Night (y2k_nightmare@my-dejanews.com), April 28, 1999.
-- working (dont@mind.me), April 28, 1999.
cleaning up I hope
-- hmmmm (what@big.mess), April 28, 1999.
now I see what you did!
-- tsk tsk tsk (sh@me.onYOU), April 28, 1999.
What the hell is going on here? We have confirmation from Mr. Parkhill that Dan is involved in the power industry, and that he is a "polly." We also know that Rick is involved in the power industry, and that he is a "doomer." Why can't you all just sit back and wait for the discussion? I don't care if they are both janitors. They have both been involved, every day, and have seen much more than almost everybody here, except maybe Mr. Cook, and maybe the other Dan above. Chill and watch. Maybe we can all learn something. <:)=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), April 28, 1999.
Hey, "Engineer", guess your experience is a bit limited, huh?RECLOSERS Electronically Controlled
Three-phase, electronically controlled reclosers use the Kyle. Form 4C, Type FX and Type FXA controls. Housed in a separate cabinet, these controls permit convenient changing of time, time-current levels, and sequences of recloser operations without de-energizing or untanking the recloser. A wide variety of accessories, including SCADA packages for remote operation and monitoring, are available to further enhance control operation and solve many application problems. The Form 4C, Type ME microprocessor recloser control, is primarily used on three-phase reclosers. The control is connected to the recloser by a multi-conductor control cable that carries sensing transformer secondary currents to the control and the necessary trip and reclose signals from the control to the recloser. The Form 4C control is also used with the Kyle Type VSA20B, 14.4 kV, 20 kA interrupting power vacuum circuit breaker to perform fault-sensing and reclosing functions.
Also from Cooper Power Systems:
The following product has been found not to comply with Y2K requirements:
The F4A recloser control is not year 2000 compliant. In all years 2000 and later, the control will have February 29th as a valid date even in non-leap years. The consequence of this problem is that it will create an incorrect date in the event recorder. The issue is hardware related and the only way to correct the issue is the replacement of the F4A front panel assembly with a F4C front panel assembly. Please see your Cooper Power Systems sales representative for availability.
-- Dan Webster (cantsp@m.me), April 29, 1999.
Dan Webster:The consequence of this problem is that it will create an incorrect date in the event recorder.
Yeah, boy, that's a showstopper. My EAS machines will have a similar problem. Big deal.
Another great example of the variable (and usually ridiculously strict) definition of "compliant."
-- Stephen M. Poole, CET (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), April 29, 1999.
Poole, are you an idiot or do you just play one on TV? My response was to "Engineers" statement,Some of his other statement about chips in reclosers are doubtful, or at least not verifiable with any self-contained recloser that I know of or have worked on.
I found a recloser assembly for him after a 30 second search that had a chip, and as a bonus, Y2K issues. I found it because the company I work for uses Cooper equipment, and that was the first place I went. No one said it failed catastrophically. If you're going to post a facetious response, at least figure out what you're posting about.
-- Dan Webster (cantsp@m.me), April 29, 1999.
No Mr. Webster, Mr. Poole is correct and you are not.While there is a chip in the device it doesn't control the function of the device, just the time tagging during it's event recording. There is other equipment like that. Most of the chip based relays have time tagging. But the time can be set to any time you like (past or future) and the relay will work correctly. Some equipment has to have the clock set manually when the change from Standard time to Daylight saving time is made, and back again. It doesn't affect the operation of the equipment if it's off and no one gets to it for a week or so. Not to mention equipment that is on lines that cross time lines. One end could be set to Eastern time and the other to Central Time. What do you do than?
Mr. Webster: I didn't say that none of the equipment contained chips. Reread the post again. You seem to be confused, like so many others, by the idea that the equipment may contain chips that use the time and date for logging purposes that are unrelated to the proper operation of the equipment. I hardly think having a bad Feb. 29th endangers the grid.
And yes, I've installed reclosers in a number of stations. So my experience isn't a limited as you think.
-- The Engineer (Engineer@tech.com), April 29, 1999.
LOL. Once again an expert shows up and a doomer is dragged off by the heels!
-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), April 29, 1999.